I've read the Bible. I spent years going to church, Sunday school, Bible study classes, and summer Bible camp. I sometimes spent hours praying. I probably spent way more time studying religion than the average Christian ever does. Don't you dare tell me I reached a conclusion out of ignorance. Have you ever opened your mind to other possibilities, or is your mind completely nailed shut while you condescendingly lecture atheists?
Been there, done all three.
Try again, next time be less willfully ignorant.
I have read the bible, I have prayed and I have been to church... yet I still haven't seen any reliably testable evidence that demonstrates a god exists.
I became an atheist from reading the bible - in divinity school.
I don't claim a god doesn't exist. A theist makes the positive claim, and I say, "I don't believe you, produce your god"
Most of us were religious once, duh. I was raised Catholic and I don't believe in God anymore.
I did all those things.
They were part of the process
that made me realize
that my religious faith
did not make sense.
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Regards,
John Popelish
The facts show that nothing supernatural exists and I follow the facts.
Fundie, how do you come to this absurd conclusion in the 21st century. Please grow up.
Atheists do not need to conclude that God does not exist. All they "need" to do is fail to believe that there is such a thing as a god. Any god. Including your own, which is probably just as fake as the other ones. Just as I fail to believe in Leprechauns. I don't feel the need to "prove" they don't exist, I just don't see the purpose and I have failed to see any sign that they do exist.
Reading the Bible does not prove that there is such a thing as a god. It just proves that there are Scriptures claiming that some old, male, bearded Jewish God exists and will punish us.
"The Bible" is simply a recent (2300 years) collection and translation of some of these Scriptures.
Looking at the life of most people who read the Bible might only convince atheists that there is such a thing as a devil.
What does "going to church" have to do with God? Going to church has to do with religion. And too many people have decided to put their faith in a religion INSTEAD of putting it in God.
I have done all of the things you claim atheists haven't done. I haven't done the thing you claim atheists have done. Why are you so wrong about everything? Now I'm sure, you might point out, I don't currently believe in any gods, don't regularly read any holy texts, don't practice any religious rituals either individually or in groups. Do you assume that when I did those things, I would necessarily have believed as you do? That's a bit naive.
fairy disbelievers, how do you come to the conclusiion that fairies don't exist if you haven't read the rainbow fairies series, haven't wished on a rainbow, or visited fairyland.
I have not.come to that conclusion it is a straw man built by your preachers, the conclusion I reached is I do not believe that any god or gods exist
You seem to have come to the conclusion that Atheists haven't read the bible, prayed or gone to church without any proof either!
most have read the bible and been to church
but that is irrelevant because
no proof of any god has been provided
Not only have I read the Bible, I'm a college professor, one of whose specialties is western religious history. I know the history, liturgies, and doctrines of Christianity far better than you do, dear.
I actually own 7 Bibles, sweetie, because I like to compare translations.
And I was raised in the Episcopal Church by parents who were smart enough not to shove religion down my throat but to expose me to it regularly and let me eventually come to my own conclusions.
Many atheists are very well-educated in Judeo-Christianity and have certainly attended church. Don't make assumptions, dear. They make you look unintelligent.
Odd question. Please see Deuteronomy 22:28-29
I went to church, went to schools run by Christians for ten years or more, studied to be a preacher.
But eventually, the contradictions and stupidity in the Bible passages got to the point where the whole thing didn't make sense.
So, why do you IMAGINE that I never did?
Do you imagine all that, about me, with the same brain which imagines that the Bible is not merely the opinions of men who CLAIM that GOD told THEM what to tell everybody else?
Do you AGREE with GOD's opinion, in Deuteronomy 22:28-29, that if some old pervert RAPES a teenager from YOUR church, all he has to do is pay her father 50 shekels, and she has to MARRY him??
It is because of being born into a catholic family, enduring 13 years of forced indoctrination (whilst at school growing up), reading the bible several times, and having to go to church every week that I decided religion, god, the devil, heaven and hell are not for me and are all bull$hite!
But, whatever floats your boat. Or, if you're that gullible, go for it..!
'Cause in all my life I never saw one flutter down.
Most of us did. I did for certain. Not just with my family but at school.
Anonymous coward, why do you assume that we haven't done those things? We're looking for proof of your god's existence and so far there is none at all.
I have done *all* those things, many times.
It is clear to me there are gods.
If he exists why is there so much sh!t in the world would any god allow pain and suffering really?if so why? Answer me that l!!!
They don't.
The assumptions u made are false obviously. They tend to be readers on the whole, they read a lot of books.
you're right, I need to reexamine my former opinions of Zeus and Thor
As an Atheist I have always respected the right of theists to believe in their god. Perhaps you could return this respect.
I've come to the conclusion the dodo no longer exists, because no one has seen one for hundreds of years. If you can show your god I might believe you.
I'm sure there are plenty of atheists who've never set foot in a church, opened a Bible or thought of praying. But equally there are plenty of us who HAVE.
I was brought up doing all three.
It wasn't till my mid twenties that I stopped praying. I still occasionally go to church, as it's important in a small community and anyway I enjoy singing. As for reading the Bible, I've never stopped.
Add yours truly to the bunch that did all three things you list here.
Many of us hold their beliefs exactly because we've done these things! You'll notice that many atheists that formerly were Christians know the bible better than many Christians because they have read more than just the "nice bits".
I used to pray but I have never heard God speak to me; I don't know what "God speaks to your heart" or something along these lines is supposed to mean other than that believers take their own convictions as God speaking to them "to their hearts"?
In John 14:13-14 Jesus tells us "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."
Read these lines again. There are no preconditions, no caveats other than that we have to ask in Jesus' name. Yet, my prayers weren't answered in that way. Nor were my fellow believers' prayers.
We all know, these verses simply are not correct.
When I and my Christian friends prayed for things, they sometimes came true and sometimes did not - just what you would expect if prayer didn't work at all.
Your question seems to reflect prejudices against atheists that you might have been fed by your pastor. It doesn't show any first-hand knowledge.
I encourage you to seek a conversation with an atheist, preferably in real life as RL conversations tend to be a lot less confrontational as on the internet. Don't lecture them but ask them why they are atheists and whether they have done the things you list. Most importantly, listen what they tell you.
Then you will get a real understanding of who we are and why.
The ones I have met and know read the bible backwards, forwards and sideways and have a right to the conclusions made after knowledge gained. I am not an atheist but respect their opinions. You can sit in a chicken house all day and night but that does not make you a chicken. Same goes for church. Judge not lest ye be judged.
I've done those things, multiple times.
Well I have done all 3 of those things, and no disrespect intended but I probably know about the bible more then you do if you are an average person.With that said I do not understand why you have to do all these things to not believe in lies.
Do you have to read all of twilight before you decide that shimmering vampires somehow even make less sense?
You assume that atheists have never done anything religious. You are wrong. Most have been raised by religious parents, went to church, Sunday school, the whole thing. They just concluded that god doesn't exist. That's it. It may not be what you or I believe, but it is what they believe. Accept it and go on with your life.
I consider myself agnostic but let me ask you this in response, how can you come to a conclusion that God exists because a book that was written by men hundreds or even thousands of years after supposed events happened? If I told you a story and you told someone else and they told someone else and so forth by the time it got to about ten people or so the story would have a completely different meaning than the original story, so tell me how a story passed down through many generations will still be the same original story? If you wish to believe in a God, then go ahead. That is your right, but to force your opinions on others isn't. Some people believe in God, some don't and some are unsure. Who is right?
Many of us have read the Bible. I'm surprised how many believers have not.
How do you come to a conclusion that atheists haven't read the Bible or prayed or gone to church when you obviously don't know anything.
Atheists don't say God does not exist, they just don't believe he exists - sad you don't understand the difference.
I was raised Christian, spent over 20 years going to church every week, loving Jesus, and praying to God.
I started studying the Bible in detail as a way to get closer to God and His Word, and that study led me to the realization there is no proof God exists (its quite clear in the Bible if you read it with an open mind).
No, I don't go to church or pray since I don't believe there is anyone to pray to.
But I still read the Bible - its an interesting book, full of wisdom and its quite entertaining.
Ah, but you see I was a Methodist until I was 35. Took my mom to church after my dad passed. Read parts of the Bible. Then a family crisis caused me to read the Bible in greater detail. I prayed but got nothing back from it except disappointment. When I finally realized that what I was reading was all unsupportable mythology, that is when I started my conversion to atheism. And it took a while. But finally it was done.
I realized that the Bible doesn't tell us about God. It tells about people who believed in God. It tells us what they believed, but the stories do not stand up to scientific scrutiny. Once you see the Bible as ALL allegory and poorly recorded verbal history of tribal legends, it all becomes clear.
I've read the bible eight times and I'm currently re-reading Paul's letters. I go to church regularly on Sunday and I have prayed many times before. Still atheist.
I have read the bible, prayed, and gone to church. Those things are what made be choose to be Atheist.
It amazes me that anyone who has actually read the bible could think your god is worthy of worship.
Atheists come from a variety of experiences. Some were formerly religious in some form or fashion and left that religion. This can occur because of several reasons, but usually they reach a point where some elements of the teachings of their former religion no longer makes sense to them, while others may be the victim of what you could call "spiritual abuse" and they subsequently left.
Others may have been raised in a home where religion was not important. They may never have attended a church or perhaps, their parents were atheists and they simply followed in their footsteps. Some atheists may have read the Christian Bible and many have read the religious literature of other religious traditions as well. Obviously, they weren't convinced if they are still atheists. Some have gone to a church, usually at a friend or family member's wedding, a funeral, or with a friend or family member to "pacify" them. The ones I know who are atheists usually say, "wow, that was different!" but it wasn't enough to convince them to NOT be atheists. Most do not pray to a God/ess they don't believe exists. The closest some get to prayer is meditation, but their meditation practice is more likely to be secular in nature, not based on a religious tradition.
I hope all of that made sense.
Most atheists come from religious backgrounds, typically from being raised with the same religion their parents followed. They HAVE read their former religion's scriptures, they DID pray to the god they believed in, they DID go to church/synagogue/mosque/temple/wherever. Many atheists have read through the bible from cover to cover, more than most christians can honestly claim. It's by reading what it says and thinking for themselves that they came to the conclusion it's all fiction. And those who regularly debate theists over religion and christianity have read through the bible multiple times so they know exactly what it says.
I came to the conclusion that no gods exist because I learned to think for myself, because I read the bible and saw the contradictions, the atrocities, and the armpit-deep bullshit. I also saw how awful people were towards others, all justified by their religion and attitude of "I'm one of the saved ones so god forgives everything I do". And I saw what science has discovered, what evidence it can provide, and what it has proven with its mountains of evidence. I saw how "god" as an explanation for things has been pushed back into an ever-smaller hole of ignorance about unanswered questions.
Now then, if you are so convinced your god exists and have such strong convictions that you are correct, why don't you have the balls to put a screen name behind it and instead hide behind chickenshit anonymity?
Most atheists have read more scripture more thoroughly than any 'happy clapper' evangelist.
I'm an atheist that has read the Bible, it's what lead me to become an atheist. I prayed and went to church as a child but knew better by the time I was thirteen.
I attended church. I have read the Bible. I have prayed.
I concluded a while ago. There's no god. That has nothing to do with you. Nor does it threaten or affect you.
I didn't read the book , i waited for the film.
I know how it ends anyway.
1. How did you come to the conclusion that Zeus doesn't exist, if you haven't read the texts, haven't prayed to him, or go to the temple?
2. I have read the Bible (won prizes at school for it)
3. I have prayed to God. Had to because it was compulsory at school.
4. I did go to church many times because I went to church schools.
2,3&4 were keystones in making me atheist.
See, if it was so important, we would all know not only that a god existed, but which one it was. Not only is that not the case, but there’s no useful evidence of any god and when we have tried asking a god to let us know he’s there, nothing happened. So if it is so important, why would a god be so hard to find?
We’re not atheists through rebellion or choice. There’s simply no reason to suppose any gods exist
Because we haven't read the bible, haven't prayed to god, or gone to church. We weren't brain washed, indoctrinated, or frightened by fairytales. Works good.
they don't come to any conclusion just deny the one you put forth
I. O go church because it not opened this Sunday and or last Sunday
THEY DO NOT WISH TO KNOW THE TRUTH...THEREFORE THEIR WRONG CONCLUSIONS wont help them out. TIRH forget them
The high priests of their Atheist religion brainwash them.
Ppl like Dawkins, Hitchens, darwin, Hillary clinton..etc
參考: Feminazis are brainwashing America as we speak, and Hillary is the queen feminazi.
Robin, True Christians dont have body bag counts in the hundreds.
On the contrary, I have read the bible, prayed to god and gone to many churches with different beliefs. Coming to the conclusion was easy, I applied common sense backed up by science.
That doesn't matter. What matters is that the fact that we're all already like this. A perfect beautiful God wouldn't have us in this situation. It's obvious.
Wow, you ASSume a lot.
Let's see here....I was born to a christian family. In fact, my father was a preacher. I studied the bible DAILY from ages 5 to 28. My mom has video of me quoting Psalm 23 at age TWO.
I attended 16 years of Bible school and attended church 3 times a week. I helped care for dozens of foster children over the years and took care of several elderly ladies abandoned in nursing homes. Every summer I did missionary work.
And THIS is why I see no reason to believe any gods exist mmmkay?
I am not sure you realize that the vast majority of atheists came from a Christian background so most have done all those things
Quite a leap, and not of faith, as most folks started out in church. I was confirmed, so I know my Bible, and decided God caused more strife in the world than any usefulness could counter.
Atheists usually have read the bible. They don't pray because they don't believe. It isn't a matter of asserting that God doesn't exist, it is a matter of theists proving that God does exist.
It just seems illogical that the universe was created by something. Also, if there was a god, and he wanted us to know about him, atheists wouldn't exist.
I came to that conclusion when I attended a government school. That is what is taught in government schools.
I use to be a regular church goer and came from a religious family. In fact, my dad was a Methodist pastor. It's not that I don't believe, it's just that the god in the bible sounds more like a human made up one than a real one. I have done a lot of praying in the past but I now feel like a hypocrite for praying after seeing prays by those who's needs were more urgent than mine and not getting any response. But thanks for asking and remember that there are a lot of atheists out there that know more about the bible than church members themselves.
I have went to church and read the bible, I prayed when my grandma died and when my auntie had a still born. I have 4 bibles in my house and yet I soon realised when I was little that there is no god, or at least if there is one it surely isn’t worthy of respect or worship. He put pedophiles amongst children knowing what would happen. Nuff said...
Besides using your logic. I haven’t read the game of thrones books but I still know it’s fiction.
I’ve done everything you have stated and have evolved into an atheist. Must be God’s will.
I came to that conclusion because there's no evidence deities exist.
I have read the bible, multiple times and a variety of versions. Both of my parents have theology degrees. I prayed for years; it never did anything. I grew up going to church at least once a week.
Relatively few atheists will claim to have concluded that a god [note the correct capitalisation] doesn't exist, they will only say that there is no evidence that any god DOES exist.
By the way, what leads you to the false assumptions that atheists haven't read the Bible, haven't prayed to any god, and haven't been to church?
The Bible contains claims but no evidence. Praying to a god does nothing if you don't already believe that that god exists - and even then any effect is only in your mind. Going to church is the same as praying, except that there is a preacher of some sort present who will actively be trying to indoctrinate succeptible minds.
I was the grandson of a priest and the nephew of two other priests, I was an Altar Boy, I read the bible, I attended Sunday School classes, and was supposed to join the clergy. As Mark Twain said "The best cure for Christianity is reading the bible".
I did it all, grew up with it. i come from a country where religion is a school subject and is taught in school, and it is mandatory. So, the thing is. I think some people actually are born that way. Some people believe everything , some don't that is called free will.
Then there are many people who follow Socrates's paradox. They are humble enough to admit I KNOW THAT I KNOW NOTHING.
There is one thing that any capture can not take away from a human being, and that is the freedom of mind.
Atheist "HOW" defined as by what MANNER or METHOD ATHEIST a term for a INDIVIDUAL PERSON NOT CONVINCED of a god proposition each has their OWN MIND and will have their own SPECIFICS they find LACKING in THEIST ARGUMENTS for the god proposition This atheist employs CRITICAL THINKING the manner and method was by READING the Bible and applying CRITICAL THINKING ..... prayers NOT answered ...apply Critical thinking ... and listening to a SERMON did not DEMONSTRATE a god proposition to be " the case True or actual as an ATHEIST I do NOT make any claims about god propositions i RESPOND to PEOPLES allegations / propositions of gods they as "PEOPLE " have FAILED to convince me of "THEIR " allegations / propositions CRITICAL THINKING analyzing INFORMATION OBJECTIVELY the use of INDUCTION DEDUCTIVE and ABDUCTION
for example in a COURT case a group of people ( jury ) are presented the SAME EVIDENCE some will be CONVINCED and others are NOT CONVINCED of the ALLEGATION / PROPOSITION
EVALUATE the claim of SPIRITS ( good /holy or bad/demons ) and the ASSOCIATION to DREAMS / VISIONS as presented in various religious TEXT (the Writers propose in one religious text Joseph and Mary ( theist ) had VISIONS/DREAMS that are asserted to be Messages from the god another example another person named Joseph ( theist ) who was a dream interpreter for PHAROH a form of PROPHACY having SPECIAL knowledge SPECIAL POWERS they are some how "HOLY" SUPERHUMAN
PRIEST ( theist ) also claiming to have SUPER HUMAN or Special powers with the use of SPECIAL WORDS CHANTS INCANTATIONS even when people SNEEZE THEIST will without much thought ASSERT to cast their POWERS PROTECTIVE CHANT or BLESSING of " god bless you '
what specifically is a BLESSING defined as a PERSON evoking a PROTECTION from the god a form of PRAYER how is it DIFFERENT from a shaman Voodoo priest Druids or sorcery the DIFFERENCE is the same conflict between today's RELIGION group A saying their god is REAL ACTUAL and THEIR POWERS or abilities are SPECIAL superhuman and Group B saying no theirs are .
. in 1692 a JURY of THEIST were CONVINCED that when two MEN of HIGH social status made the ALLEGATION that Rebeca NURSE's "SPIRIT" came to them at NIGHT ( in a DREAM ) and her SPIRIT poked and choked them ( authoritarianism cause they SAID SO ) and pointing out a verse in their BOOK of DIRECTING BEHAVIORS and practices ( MORALITY ) commanding
" thy shall not suffer a WITCH to LIVE the JURY receiving the "EVIDENCE" ( cause two Men SAID so and the BELIEF in spirits ) were CONVINCED and found Rebecka to be a WITCH and followed "THEIR " adopted BOOK of DIRECTED CORRECT BEHAVIOR / MORALITY to Hang/ KILL Rebeca a question might be is BOB and GARY SAYING SO sufficient to convince you of SPIRITS the same question can be asked of ANY RELIGIOUS text allegations or propositions and do they DIRECT your BEHAVIORS and Practices would you have found REBECA to be a WITCH because you hold a BELIEF in SPIRITS good or bad
thank you to the question
It not that many of them have not read the Bible. Its that the physical man does not understand spiritual stuff because they are examined spiritually (1 Corinthians 2:14). Some of them just need to understand that they are missing something and that something is spiritual (Matthew 5:3). They think they are doing fine but their pride blinds them. It is a sad situation.
It's worthless and we have no business like this anyway. So it's bullshit. Common sense tells you by looking at other innocent people who worship God suffer so there's no true point into it. Enough said.
How did you come to the conclusion that Atheists haven't read the bible, prayed to 'god', or gone to church?
The vast majority of atheists started off as believers - but then realized what they had been taught to believe had no basis in reality.
Most didn't 'come to the conclusion that a god doesn't exist' - instead they came to the conclusion that there was a lack of evidence to support (or a compelling reason to infer) the existence of 'god(s)'.
The burden of proof is still on the theist shoulders.
as a formally religious person it was reading the bible and going to church and trolls like you that brought me to that conclusion
Nicolaitan Christians engage Atheists into Conversations.
True Christians obey the Word of God and what it plainly teaches.
Rom_16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
i like to think that "life is fair".
suppose the government legislated that all people were to be at "peace". the government can not legislate from without, what the people do not find within. people individually create their own life, that is what makes life fair.
you suffer what you have to suffer, and you enjoy what you have to enjoy; that is the life you have made for yourself.
life is fair.
we dont need to do any of those things to know Islam is a cult set up by the paedophile Mohamed the fact that Muslims Pray to the black rock in mecca
Because its pointless fairytale crap, stop being a scared little bltch and just accept that noone knows what happens after death
the one thing ive noticed is that many militant atheists have read the bible, i know of bart erhman who became an agnostic atheist because he was a scholar of the bible. the bible is conclusively altered and not reliable as a history text. i.e. at least some parts are altered and there are (seems) to be many contradictions.
the bible did come forth from the apostles in purity, but the abominable church took out plain and precious things. , therefore there is spiritual blindness and confusion. and this is why there is so many different christian sects and heretical teachings.
What does one have to do with the other? Reading the Bible, praying to God,and going to church doesn't teach you that God doesn't exist.
I believe in the existence of alien civilizations and I’ve watched Sci-Fi shows like Star Trek and the Orville.
In these shows, they given me a possible reason why people like you believe in the existence of God, go to church and pray.
It is because beings from a highly advanced alien civilization once visited Earth and their advanced technologies and skills were seen by locals. The ancient humans misinterpreted the actions of alien beings as abilities of a superior being and thus believe that there is a god in this universe.
The base of any religion is it's scripture,
therefore before concluding anything about God people must go through the most common scriptures.... including "The Quran" as it claims to be the last revelation from God..
Quran Chapter 3 verse 3
He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
Isaiah 29:16 Atheism and Godlessness is God plan its prophecy. When the Lord of host makes a sudden instant visitation when Jerusalem is at seige. Zechariah 12 they will look for the one they pierced.
Man will contest with his maker and say you did not make me