證悟“涅槃”是學佛的終極目的嗎?釋尊證悟涅槃後,仍在人間說法,五蘊不斷升起滅去,直到真正般涅槃,不生不滅。?

2019-01-19 9:42 pm

回答 (6)

2019-01-19 9:59 pm
釋尊證悟涅槃後,仍在人間說法,五蘊不斷升起滅去,直到真正般涅槃,不生不滅。?
==========================================
佛在世的時候稱涅槃
身滅後本無去來

楞伽經:
無有涅槃佛
無有佛涅槃
-----------------
生滅是虛妄
生滅是真識中的自性
了達此性(離性) 則本無去來

佛在世間之常==> 常樂我淨
離世真我之常 不在佛所說範疇==>佛法在人間 不離世間覺
2019-01-20 9:03 am
有[生命]...就存有五蘊!

在世間生存...五蘊自然的生起滅去...時刻皆在寂靜解脫中....很好啊!

只要不是[五取蘊]在生起滅去就好了.......!

生命的價值在 *緣根塵觸* 的[當下]....不在對[未來]的期盼!

以上...供參考!
2019-01-20 10:13 am
緣起與涅槃 (節錄自如源法師 原始佛教之緣起論)

1,流轉的緣生與還滅的涅槃同是依「此故彼」的法則而開顯。也就是說「緣生」與「涅槃」是「緣起」 的兩個面,故談論緣起的同時,必不得忽略「涅槃」。不過涅槃比較特殊,這是聖人 所自內証的境界,無法像「緣起」與「緣生」一樣,給予具體的說明與定義。

2,佛說法的主要內容是「緣起」,但目的卻是「涅槃」,如說「世尊為涅槃故,為弟子說法」

3,《阿含經》對涅槃的定義是:「涅槃者,貪欲永盡、瞋恚永 盡、愚癡永盡,一切諸煩惱永盡,是名涅槃」。

4,《相應部》則言:「解脫一切束縛是 名為涅槃」

5,學佛之目的即在於消除此生命中的不善質素,讓生命達到最高的淨化。而這最清淨的生命境界,就稱為【涅槃】。

6,原始佛教中有關緣起與涅槃的論題,可從兩方面來說:一、有為與無為:佛為阿 難說緣起與涅槃的甚深,並以「有為」與「無為」分別之:

7,《雜阿含》293經:
此甚深處,所謂緣起;倍復甚深難見,所謂一切取離、愛盡、無欲、寂滅、涅 槃。如此二法,謂:有為、無為。有為者,若生、若住、若異、若滅。無為者, 不生、不住、不異、不滅,是名比丘諸行苦寂滅、涅槃。因集故苦集,因滅故 苦滅;斷諸逕路,滅於相續,相續滅,滅是名苦邊。比丘!彼何所滅?謂有餘 苦。彼若滅止、清涼、息沒,所謂一切取滅、愛盡、無欲、寂滅、涅槃。

8,「有為」就是有造作,有生、住、 異、滅等四相;反之「無為」即無造作,無此四相。此成為後世定義有為、無為的主要根據。經以緣起為「有為」,涅槃為「無為」,即表示了一有生滅變化,一則反此。

9,但「緣起」經上又稱為「法住、法界、法定」,若「緣起」本身真是如此的生滅無常, 又如何能取得「法住、法界、法定」的地位呢?

10,談「緣起」應重視其「此故彼」的根本含義。也就是說「緣起」只是一種「原理、法則」,既然是法則,本不應有所謂的「生滅與不生滅」等問題。那麼為何又稱其為「有為」,有生、住、異、滅等相呢?

11,《阿含經》對「緣起」與「緣生」雖曾做分別,但大部份的場合多數是不分別之的。因此,真正有生、住、異、滅相的應是依「緣起」而相生流轉的「緣生法」。

12,「十不緣起」,都是描述「緣生法」而非「緣起」。「緣起」是根本的法則,從相依相生的方面說,即是生滅的「緣生」;從還滅的立場而言,即是不生不滅的「涅槃」。這流轉的「緣生」與還滅的「涅槃」同是依「緣起」而開顯的。

13,《阿含經》稱「涅槃」為無為,並以不生不滅等形容之,有生滅等相的是有為的 「緣生」。說「緣生法」是:「生時無有來處,滅時無有去處」,這亦是另一種形式的「不生不滅」。

14,涅槃是依「此故彼」的還滅而到達不生不滅等的寂滅境地,這是連生等四有為相亦沒的。但「緣生」的不生不滅,卻不是連生等有為相亦無,其意義是「不實生」亦「不實滅」,不實生滅故,不礙生住異滅相。

15,因此,《阿含經》的不生不滅可有兩種不同的意義:一、不具生住異滅四相的不生不滅,這是從涅槃而言,是完成不具生滅相的。二、有生住異滅四相,但卻是不實生,不實滅,故也可說是不生不滅,這是從緣生法的角度來看的。

16,緣起是根本的法則,緣生與涅槃同是依【緣起】而開顯。流轉的緣生,是在「此故彼」的相依相生下形成的,故是生滅,是無常、無我。如說:若假因緣和合有者,即是無常,無常即苦,苦即無我」。

17,而「緣生」的無常生滅相, 是非實生實滅﹙重在生滅的非實﹚,故「緣生」的當体即是不生不滅。還滅的涅槃,亦是在「此故彼」的原則下,相違相滅到達究竟寂滅,其本身即是不生不滅。流轉的緣生相是無常、無我,依緣而還滅的是涅槃。

18,依緣起的流轉而還滅,從「法住智」到「涅槃智」,即是無常 →無我 → 涅槃。三法印即緣起三相。

A,佛陀自說涅槃的境界

1、世尊告異比丘:「我已度疑,離於猶豫,拔邪見②刺,不復退轉,心無所著故,何處有我?」

2、諸比丘!有一此處, 無地、無水、無火、無風, 無空無邊處、無識無邊處、無無所有處、無非想非非想處, 無此世他世,無月日兩者。 諸比丘!我也說該處無來,無去,不住,不死,不生。 無住處,無轉起,無所緣,此乃苦之終盡。

3、有依止者有轉動,無依止者無轉動。

小部、自說經、波吒離村人品 、 涅槃第三經 (Ud 8.3)

【經文】 :諸比丘!有一此處, 無地、無水、無火、無風, 無空無邊處、無識無邊處、無無所有處、無非想非非想處, 無此世他世,無月日兩者。 諸比丘!我也說該處無來,無去,不住,不死,不生。 無住處,無轉起,無所緣,此乃苦之終盡。 」

二.:世尊知此已,彼時唱此優陀那:「難見為無我,真諦見不易。智人識破愛,彼見無何物。」

三.:世尊知此已,彼時唱此優陀那:「諸比丘!無生亦無物,無造亦無作。諸比丘!若無生、無有、無造作者, 則所生、所有、所造、所作者,當不出現。 諸比丘!無生、無有、無造、無作為者故,生者、有者、能造者、作為者當不出現。」

四. :世尊知此已,彼時唱此優陀那:「有依止者有轉動,無依止者無轉動。若無轉動有輕安,若有輕安無有喜,若無有喜無去來,若無來去無死生,若無死生無此世,亦無他世之兩者,
兩者之中皆無有,此即成為苦之盡。」

增壹阿含19品1經 (梵天勸請品)
一時,佛在摩竭國道場樹下。 爾時,世尊得道未久,便生是念: 「我今甚深之法難曉難了,難可覺知,不可思惟,休息,微妙,智者所覺知,能分別義理,習之不厭,即得歡喜。設吾與人說妙法者,人不信受,亦不奉行者,唐有其勞,則有所損,我今宜可默然,何須說法!」

(對在阿賴耶中歡樂,在阿賴耶中得歡樂,在阿賴耶中得喜悅的世代來說,此處是難見的,即:特定條件性、緣起;此處也是難見的,即:一切行的止,一切依著的斷念,渴愛的滅盡、離貪、滅、涅槃。如果我教導法,如果對方不了解我,那對我是疲勞,那對我是傷害。」 )
星譯:此處 (涅槃) 是難見的,即:特定條件性、緣起;此處也是難見的,即:一切行的止,一切依著的斷念,渴愛的滅盡、離貪、滅、涅槃。

B,涅槃是常,即「不生、不長的非緣生法」,不是因緣和合而生的,是無條件的存在。

《巴利大藏經•小部,自說經》(第八卷第三章):「比庫們啊!是有不生、不長的非緣生法(無為法)存在。如果沒有了這不生、不長的非緣生法,則一切生的、長的、因緣和合的就無從解脫。因為有了這不生、不長、非緣生法,生的、長的、因緣和合的才有所解脫。」
2019-03-25 8:06 pm
Gov't is killing you with high frequency electricity.Theotokos Virgin Mary gave prayers to "Schema-nun Antonia" on how to save aborted babies from hell. If you pray these prayers diligently, aborted babies are released from hell. On each painted nail there are 40 demons. Smoking is censer to the devil.Using foul language calls upon Pagan deities (aka demons); Holy Spirit departs on 7 meters. People who use drugs see demons who cleverly disguise themselves as ghosts and aliens.America will be last country to switch to Euro (antichrist's world currency). Contraceptives = abortion;using contraceptives for 1 year = 5 aborted kids.Miscarriages happen because of high heels; cesarean because of tight pants (second generation cesarean will be infertile).Unbaptized aborted/miscarried/unborn babies burn in hell for until Final Judgement; if pregnant, keep the kid and deliver at home because kids are chipped using IVs and vaccines in hospitals. Dentists and doctors chip patients secretly. Ultrasound leads to mark of the beast; don't do ultrasound, please. Abortion leads to breast cancer; a demon is released from hell for each aborted kid. Dogs can become possessed; don't keep dogs inside your home [Pelageya of Ryazan]. Walmart has technology to administer mark of the beast to those who have cat bacteria in their stomachs; stay away from cats [Athanasius III of Constantinople]. Next false flag is the Statue of Liberty. Above earth there is ice (hemisphere); when rockets go up they bring ice down from upper sky to lower sky; ice stuck in lower sky will fall on us during Apocalypse. Earth is flat; earth stands on 3 pillars (the Most Holy Trinity); pillars stand on water at zero Kelvin; underneath this ice there is a bubble; and then the abyss. Zodiac is planetary prison of demons; don't believe in horoscopes or you'll exhibit the traits of the trapped demons. Most thoughts and dreams are from demons; demons never do good. Sleep fully clothed; pray the Jesus prayer. Pray to your guardian angel to have normal sleep. Vyacheslav Krasheninnikov was the last prophet before Apostle John (who wrote the Book of Revelation), Enoch, Elijah, resurrected Seraphim of Sarov, and resurrected Sergius of Radonezh will preach against the antichrist. Humans were created about 7525 years ago. Birds participate in time creation. It's a sin to kill birds. Dinosaurs live under our level; they will get out through sinkholes and lakes; to kill them, go for their nerves. Save the birds; but kill the dinosaurs. First dinosaur will come out of Volga River in Russia. Scientists don't see dinosaurs under our level because of radiation. Sinkholes happen because people dig for resources underground and because earth is heating up. Demons grow human skin (from a sample taken during abduction) and put it on so as to look like us. Demons will invite people to be healed inside their UFOs; those who go will be like zombies after. Gov't provides demons with diamonds and allows demons to abduct people. If you're being abducted, slowly pray the Jesus prayer. Don't panic. Demons use diamonds and souls to power their UFO craft. The bigger the diamond, the more it lasts. Demons have 4 UFO bases: 1)moon 2)inside fake mountain Kailash (Tibet) 3)in lake Baikal in Russia 4)in Atlantis which is underneath double ocean floor of Mariana Trench (Pacific Ocean). There are no aliens. Nobody lives on other planets. Airplanes that go down are hit by demons because they need the airspace to fight Jesus. Antichrist is pale with red eyes. He's possessed by Satan since he's 12 years old [Lavrentiy Chernigovskiy]. He flies super fast; deceived people will say: "Christ is here; Christ is there" when he's flying from one city to the next very fast. He wears gloves to hide long nails. He's surrounded by demons who appear as angels of light. Antichrist will trick people that he can do mountain moving and resurrection using holograms/hypnosis; fire from the sky is real because of pollution gases in the atmosphere. Antichrist will have food only for 6 months; then he will feed his 666ed people flour from mashed up turtles (Tavrion Batozskiy), but this won't be enough because 666ed people are 10 times as angry and 7 times as hungry as normal people even though 666ed people became shorter (3-4 feet tall = 80 - 120 cm) because nanochips do function of organs (organs diminish) [Nilus Myrrhgusher]. If you have a lot of nanochips in your forearm, then you will not be able to make proper Orthodox sign of the cross (last mercy for you will be to cut your forearm off). Nanochips are sprayed by the gov't using chemtrails; they're also in gov't food and medicine; so, eat food from your own garden. In case garden is destroyed by ice from the sky, have chickens for eggs and goats for milk (Paisios). Lipstick contains cells of aborted fetuses, dog fat, and placenta; human flesh is in McDonalds, Pepsi, toothpaste, antiaging, anticancer, vaccines, perfume, etc.; that's why you should not be using anything that modern society has to offer. You're better off hiding within a 10-12 people group in order to escape Apocalypse. During Apocalypse, Chrtistians will eat dirt from under pussywillowtree as it's filled with tears of Theotokos Virgin Mary; this water will flee if a 666ed person tries to get it. Barcode is Druid black magic curse; QRcode is Mayan curse; when food is scanned, it becomes dead because laser is a substance from demons. Don't go into a UFO to be healed by demons. Green 666 is given by isotope rays on wrist or forehead when people stretch hands to receive small plastic grey card with no name on it (World Passport). It doesn't just have to be during this procedure (could be anything you sign up for or anywhere where there is a secret scanner); biometrics (fingerprints, eyes scan) or getting picture for passport are very dangerous because they could mark you secretly. Gabriel Urgebadze said that they do it on index finger when they scan your finger. Basically, try to avoid new documents at all cost. Police will microchip and isotope ray people on highways. Chipped people will be influenced by computers to take grey plastic card; but when they do, green mark by isotope rays is given on forehead/wrist. Food stores will isotope ray people too. Antichrist will also release prisoners to mark people. Reject 666 at all cost because it leads to permanent hell. If you're about to be marked, pray the Jesus prayer. Hide with Orthodox Christians to escape 666; leave all electronics behind so that antichrist's minions can't track you; burn documents because they're from Satan. The Most Holy Trinity gives you a name during baptism; devil gives an antiname during antibaptism (ex. Social Security Number). People who die with these Satanic documents go to concentration camp in hell to await Final Judgement; once the BEAST Computer is burned down, souls will be released for Final Judgement. That's why you should give back documents of your deceased relatives back to the gov't so that the gov't cancels these digital antichristian names given during antibaptism by the beast system; or just burn these documents because gov't could get upset and could send demons to mark you because of this outright act of defiance. Prophecy from half a millennium ago describes Final Judgement like this: Jesus was very upset with people who had little boards (plastic cards) in their hands because they wanted discount from the antichrist. Give to charity in the name of Archangel Michael; he rescues people from temporary hell twice a year [at midnight September 18-19 and similarly on November 20-21; pray at these times on your knees remembering the deceased by names (adding "and relatives by flesh up to Adam") so that they are rescued if they're in hell] (or brings them up a level, that is, to a level with less punishment; eventually, people are freed). Feed the pigeons; when pigeons bow down, people are saved from temporary hell. It's a big sin to remember the dead with wreaths (because demons put these wreaths on their necks if they're in hell with their hands tied up behind their back while hanging by their hands), meat, alcohol, sweets, and worldly music. Demons print icons of saints in newspapers so that you throw these newspapers in the trash blaspheming these saints. Crosses on soles of shoes and back of pants are blasphemy. Demons make carpets with crosses and put them on sidewalks so that people walk on crosses. Playing cards mock how Jesus suffered on the cross: clubs (cross on which Jesus was crucified), diamonds (four nails Jesus was crucified with), hearts (sponge with vinegar that Jesus was given to drink),spades (spear with which Jesus was pierced).Cremation is devil worship; only blasphemers such as Lenin should be burned; if Lenin is buried, earth will be polluted, and China will attack Russia because of this.After China attacks Russia, Ruski Orthodox Tsar (shown by resurrected Seraphim of Sarov) will come to power in Russia;this Tsar will slay traitors inside church and gov't; as a result, Russia will be the only country not under the antichrist.Ecumenism = 263 heresies;each heresy leads to hell. In 2006 in Moscow (that's why Moscow will sink),representatives from most religions signed a document where it says that all religions worship the same Supreme Being [aka the devil]. Priests who participate in ecumenism will have Pagans walking on their heads in hell. Arkhimandrite Antonin Kapustin left a prophecy that Church of All Russian Saints in Gorny Monastery, Ein Karem, Israel will be blessed by forerunner of antichrist; Patriarch Kirill of Russia and Mark of Berlin blessed this church in 2007. When priests pray for current gov't (instead of praying for future Tsar),Jesus gets up from His throne and turns His back to them. Forgive me.
參考: Women wear headscarves tied at the front to prevent headaches from sky pushing down and to prevent throat cancer. Mega-tsunami for New York will be 400 meters; then engulfed-in-lava Los Angeles will be flooded too; also, asteroid destroys Gulf of Mexico; only Alaska, Eurasia, and Africa remain (obviously without coasts). 1st big earthquake in Russia; 2nd bigger one in China (will be split in half; radiation!); 3rd biggest will be in the USA (Greek Orthodox monk Elidiy from Africa); forgive me.
2019-01-20 7:01 pm
證悟“涅槃”是學佛的終極目的嗎?釋尊證悟涅槃後,仍在人間說法,五蘊不斷升起滅去,直到真正般涅槃,不生不滅。?
另類的解讀:
證悟“涅槃”是學佛的終極目的嗎?不是。因為學佛的人根本就不知道為什麼學佛?學佛什麼?
今天學「佛」的人,都說自己在學「佛」,但卻不知學「佛」什麼,您今天所學的是佛道、佛學、佛經,還是佛教裡的教意。
學佛道:「慈悲」兩字,終身學不完,因為「慈悲」的後面非常的殘忍,您無法對自己殘忍就千萬不要「慈悲」,您要有「天將降大任於斯人也,必先苦其心志,勞其筋骨,餓其體膚,空乏其身,行拂亂其所為,所以動心忍性,增益其所不能」的準備,否則「慈悲」一考就倒。
學佛學:每一位成「佛」的「佛」學都不一樣,您要學那一位「佛」,人一生也學不完,「佛」講經四十九年您如何得知留下來的是那一部是「道」,那一部是「經」,而那一部先講,那一部後講,您不知道又如何能按部就班的學習,瞭解「佛」所講的「道」與「經」,況且「佛」所所講的「佛」理也只不過是「道」裡面的微塵,而人生除了「佛」所講的「道」以外,人生還有太多值得學習的事理要為。
學佛經:每一位成「佛」的「佛」歷經都不一樣,您要學那一位「佛」,而佛經只能參考謹惕,因為您不是「佛」,所以您無法瞭解「佛」經裡的涵義,有天您也成「佛」後,您成「佛」的過程也就是一部「佛」經。
佛教:佛教有千宗萬派是後世人,自以為瞭解學點佛學就開宗立派,讓「佛」背負因果的責任而不自知,而不知「佛」學的深奧,還有人不知道「道」的微妙圓通,又豈是現代宗師所能一一闡釋,自誤誤人而不知,而不以「道」為師,以「德」為典,以「心」為用,如此您才有脫離輪迴,離苦的一天,而非為成「佛」而為的一世。
釋尊證悟涅槃後,仍在人間說法您可聽聞,而五蘊不斷升起滅去只是道一直在變遷,涅槃後的道人可知道,只要有人就無法達到真正的涅槃,要不生不滅可是恥人說夢。
參考: 回答您:十方世界三世諸佛,都是佛佛道 ,但是您要瞭解佛法與佛道是不一樣,佛法是見無定見,法無定法,因人、地、事……而異方便而已,而佛道是慈悲二字不因人、地、事……永不改變,如您有慈悲之道心 則離成佛近矣。
2019-01-20 3:28 pm
又有涅槃可證,又有終極目標,人生還真忙呢!


收錄日期: 2021-05-01 15:26:33
原文連結 [永久失效]:
https://hk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20190119134259AACLNO6

檢視 Wayback Machine 備份