Adam and Eve was allegorical?

2014-06-23 7:40 pm
Think about it, it is said that the bible is written by men, but INSPIRED by God. Moses wrote the book of genesis, but of course he was not there himself to witness the creation of the world. could it be that God inspired him to write an allegory of the creation of the universe as we know it?

Anyway, it seems most of Christianity sees the story as the rationale behind "original sin"... the idea that all humanity is tainted because of the actions of Adam & Eve and therefore must be atoned for, and giving a reason for Jesus to do his thing.

I see it in an entirely different way. To me, the story is an illustration of what it means to be sentient. Think about it for a minute...

A young naked couple in paradise, without want or desire... essentially without self-awareness, just like animals.

In comes the serpent, tempting them to go against god's orders to abstain. The fruit they take is from the tree of knowledge. Upon eating the fruit, Adam & Eve suddenly realize they are naked and experience a complex feeling that can only exist in conjunction with self-awareness: shame.

They are awakened.

Being self-aware, they are cast from the garden and forced to carry the burden of life in their new state. But if you think about it, the burden was always there... Adam and Eve just weren't aware of it because they previously existed on a lower comprehension perspective (i.e. the allegorical "garden of Eden"). The characters themselves are allegorical; Adam and Eve of course repres
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represent the human race at large. The serpent perhaps represents human inquisitiveness, a force that drives humanity forward and can be both good and very dangerous. The Cherubim guarding the gates to Eden may represent our inability to regress to humanity's simpler state. And the role of god in the story? Anyone who can figure that out gets a gold star!

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The story is really saying: "ignorance is bliss" but it's a lower state of being. Once humanity made that jump in perspective we could no longer inhabit the perspective of animals and became subject to challenges of existence within a higher perspective. It's no wonder so many people laugh at the story...trying to read it as a literal account of the birth of humanity is rather laughable... ...But who would argue humanity actually began when the first minds crossed that threshold into the high

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perspective of sentience, leaving "Eden" forever and being forced to figure out how to manage such a massive paradigm shift to their existence? Me thinks the ancient goat-herders had some big thoughts after all...it's we who have been stupid about the whole thing

回答 (19)

2014-06-23 7:42 pm
All this to say you don't believe Adam and Eve were real people? You can believe what you want and there is no need to justify yourself here unless someone calls on you to do it.
2014-06-26 5:53 pm
No, One reason we should take the Bible literally is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally. Whenever the Lord Jesus quoted from the Old Testament, it was always clear that He believed in its literal interpretation. As an example, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, He answered by quoting the Old Testament. If God’s commands in Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:13, and 6:16 were not literal, Jesus would not have used them and they would have been powerless to stop Satan’s mouth, which they certainly did.

The disciples also took the commands of Christ (which are part of the Bible) literally. Jesus commanded the disciples to go and make more disciples in Matthew 28:19-20. In Acts 2 and following, we find that the disciples took Jesus' command literally and went throughout the known world of that time preaching the gospel of Christ and telling them to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Just as the disciples took Jesus’ words literally, so must we. How else can we be sure of our salvation if we do not believe Him when He says He came to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10), pay the penalty for our sin (Matthew 26:28), and provide eternal life (John 6:54)?

Although we take the Bible literally, there are still figures of speech within its pages. An example of a figure of speech would be that if someone said "it is raining cats and dogs outside," you would know that they did not really mean that cats and dogs were falling from the sky. They would mean it is raining really hard. There are figures of speech in the Bible which are not to be taken literally, but those are obvious. (See Psalm 17:8 for example.)

Finally, when we make ourselves the final arbiters of which parts of the Bible are to be interpreted literally, we elevate ourselves above God. Who is to say, then, that one person’s interpretation of a biblical event or truth is any more or less valid than another’s? The confusion and distortions that would inevitably result from such a system would essentially render the Scriptures null and void. The Bible is God’s Word to us and He meant it to be believed—literally and completely.
2014-06-23 8:22 pm
God created Adam and Eve naked and ignorant and was furious when they discovered knowledge and covered up so surely anyone wanting to be as good a Christian as possible should be naked and trying to be as ignorant as possible?!
2014-06-23 7:45 pm
It's a myth. Likely the idea came from the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Huluppu Tree. Google them both.
2014-06-23 7:43 pm
One problem i see right off the bat... Moses never existed. Even the bulk of Jewish archeologists accept that.
2014-06-23 7:42 pm
This was accepted by believers long ago. It's a story, like a million other creation stories by cultures all over the world. Interesting and important, but not made by people with any special knowledge given by God.
2014-06-23 7:42 pm
I duh know what alleroag means but Christianity is myth
2014-06-24 11:02 pm
Jesus mentioned adam and eve by name....NOT allegorical
2014-06-24 3:49 am
I duh know what alleroag means but Christianity is myth
2014-06-24 12:59 am
You're badly misusing the term "allegorical."

I prefer "mythical" (not meaning untrue, but rather true in a sense that goes beyond the literal details to a deeper meaning.

I see what you mean about "what it means to be sentient." I also see the story describing what is unique about humanity: our complex, yet remarkably untrustworthy minds. Our capacity for abstract reasoning has given us "the knowledge of good and evil," represented by the fruit (the most directly allegorical item in the story). Yet from it we get, not skill at choosing good over evil, but acquaintance with evil as an alternative to good. And a further consequence--also connected to self-awareness--is the consciousness of individual mortality. The storytellers were right in saying death was somehow introduced to us by this development.

At any rate, our acquaintance with evil, and relative helplessness at actually choosing good (as opposed to arguing that whatever we do ought to be considered good), is what makes us a race with a built-in propensity to screw up. It's no accident that the revelation of the transgression is followed by a session of excuse-making.

And that propensity to screw up is what theologians have chosen (stuffily) to call "original sin." The story IS about observing it and bringing it to our awareness, though not a literal history of its origin.






But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse ‘applicability’ with ‘allegory’; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
-- J.R.R. Tolkien, Foreword to the Second Edition of "The Lord of the Rings"
2014-06-23 8:10 pm
The problem with the Bible is people put to much into it. If it were written today in the information age of communication by the best and most respected reporters it would be torn apart for accuracy, for political intent and more. Yet hearsay by private grapevine news reporters reporting 30+years after the said occurrences are claimed 'god inspired' when they are humanly untrustworthy. Especially when they don't have the same meaning today as the original language used back then. Top that off with modern day language and multiple translations and re-writes. Not only was it written in a language basically not used today. It's words if they have any truth to them are not understood to imply what was meant so long ago. If there was a true god I would hope it had more sense than to use words of lost understandings.
Wouldn't it make far more sense to convey its presence through the creation itself. That way it is a universal language to all the senses of all living things. Time would not alter the understanding. All written scriptures are man made. All of them. What is called the creation or big bang did not come from a magic wand. Both side claim it came from a singularity. Only the name is different.
Quit trying to make sense of any scriptures written by men. Remember if a god did exist the universe and you yourself would be the closest thing you will get to inspired by it. These proxy messengers are here say. They all claim to have a hot line with the source of all things. Yet, they (all scriptures) fail to convey a simple message clear enough not to be interpreted to all to mean the same thing. That is why there is such division in all religions, leading to different sects and denominations. Don't you think a real god could do a better job? It's about time people started thinking outside the box of scriptures. If a real god existed it would provide a better path to it's door.
2014-06-23 8:05 pm
1 Corintthians 2:9-10
2014-06-23 8:04 pm
NO!
2014-06-23 7:50 pm
We rely on documentary hypothesis to translate ancient scripture into various versions of the Bible. Moses is the author of the Pentateuch by tradition only.
Scholars agree that sources are:
The Yahwist source (J) : hypothetically written c. 950 BCE in the southern Kingdom of Judah.
The Elohist source (E) : hypothetically written c. 850 BCE in the northern Kingdom of Israel.
The Deuteronomist (D) : hypothetically written c. 600 BCE in Jerusalem during a period of religious reform.
The Priestly source (P) : hypothetically written c. 500 BCE by Kohanim (Jewish priests) in exile in Babylon.

There is no possible way that the human species and other species have evolved to our current state in just 6,000 yrs. God could of made us from a handful dust but he didn’t.
2014-06-23 7:49 pm
Jesus mentioned adam and eve by name....NOT allegorical
2014-06-23 7:48 pm
No, actually.
Just mythical.

By the way, scholarly consensus (christian and jewish, mostly) is that "Moses" wasn't a real person, either, and the whole "exodus" story was invented myth as well.
Oops.

"Me thinks the ancient goat-herders had some big thoughts after all...it's we who have been stupid about the whole thing..."

No, just you. Trying to find "deep" meaning in an ancient ignorant proven-false myth.
2014-06-23 7:45 pm
did not read it all but if God had not created Adam and Eve you would not be here
2014-06-23 7:44 pm
The Bible is a collection of history, poetry, and fiction...with far too much fiction,
including stories about the Garden of Eden, Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale,
a virgin birth, and a revival from the dead.

Thoughtful people laugh that crap off the stage.
2014-06-23 7:44 pm
To follow your line of thought: god wanted Adam and Eve to remain ignorant, not to think. That's perfection? No thanks. (Also consider that original sin = sex. That's why Jesus had to be born to a virgin, and why Mary herself was "immaculately" conceived.)
God didn't inspire anything, though; god does not exist. All cultures have creation myths--this just happens to be the one that the Judeo-Christian religions have agreed to accept.


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