That's how hoaxes are exposed. James Randi exposed Uri Geller as a hoaxer by duplicating his spoon bending trick. Pharaoh's magicians attempted to do the same thing with Moses (Ex 7:10-12), (although when it came to the lice "trick" they owned up on that one being from God; Ex 8:18-19).
All an atheist would need to do is write a short essay about morals and such, throw in some ridiculously fantastic miracles they or their friends did in it (like walking on water, raising the dead, feeding over 5000 people with a kid's sack lunch), make copies, give them to friends and even the press, and then just wait for the inevitable religious following of thousands and eventually millions.
Now no one is saying one can't get a big religious following by writing something religious like Mohammed (Islam) and Joseph Smith (Mormonism) did, but those guys didn't mention any miracles they or their friends did in their works.
The atheists in this forum seem so eager to want to disprove Christianity, but refuse to use the time-tested way of showing how something is a hoax--by duplicating the hoax. Why is that?
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You're not serious, are you?
"If you think the big bang is a hoax, why don't you just duplicate it?"
Would you like some logic with that crazy?
So what is Scientology if not a perfect example of how to create a religion from a fabrication?
So the hoax has been duplicated.
There you go, being lazy and trying to get others to do your work for you. It's called the "shifting the burden" fallacy.
It's not the job of of atheists to disprove the bible, of to show that it's a hoax.
It's the job of theists to show that it _isn't_.
So get to it.
*HeadDesk*
You're not planning on procreating, are you?
IMHO
You're a wonderful example psychologically how far gone people can actually be.
How can the truth be a Hoax? We are writing essays and journals. It's called science and everything we are achieving in it, thus proving the bible more and more wrong everyday.
JRR Tolkein already did it. His "hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings" books (far more self-consistent and interesting than the bible, by the way) have a very religious following of billions.
Muhammed already did it. His entirely made-up book of ignorant superstition and magic (the Quran) has a fantatical, devoted following of more than a billion.
Joseph Smith already did it, his entirely made-up book of Mormon has a fantatical religious following in the tens of millions.
How many times does the hoax need to be exposed?
Every hear of Scientology? What about Mormonism?
You just described each perfectly.
"How you get to level 2 with stupid question like this?"
--- Yoda
They do not have to since it has already been disproved!
The only way primitive religion exists today is through the child abuse of forcing it into very, very young children but thanks to better education and growing intellects so many teens are able to discover the truth, throw off the indoctrination and step into the real world!
Academia states that in the absence of any sort of evidence of the existence of something it must be deemed not to exist until verifiable evidence is found - thus god is held not to exist pending some sort of verifiable evidence.
The bible is what is called "Faction” A fictional story set in a factual time and place. Thus the time, place and real historical characters are all correct but the fictional characters and stories are not!
There is not one single mention of Jesus in the entire Roman record - that is right - not one! At the same time as he was supposed to have been around there were a number of Jews claiming to be the messiah - all of whom are well recorded!
There is not a single contemporary record from any source and even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!
He was supposed to have been a huge problem to the Romans and produced wonderful miracles but still not one contemporary record?
Even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!
Pilate is recorded in the Roman record as a somewhat lack luster man but no mention of a Jesus, a trial or crucifixion that would surely have been used to make him look brighter!
At best he was an amalgam of those others but almost certainly never existed!
Not one word of it is contemporary with the period and was not written until several hundred years after the period the story is set in!! How did the apostles write their books more than a hundred years after they would have been dead?
Please realize that those claims for the Old historians are worthless since they were not even born until long after everyone in the stories would have been so long dead!
Josephus AD 37 – AD 100
Tacitus AD 56 – AD 120
Suetonius - 69 – 130 AD
Pliny the Younger, 61 AD – 112 AD
Justin Martyr (Saint Justin) AD103–165 AD
Lucian - AD 120 -180 AD but he was hostile to Christianity and openly mocked it.
Pamphilius AD 240-309 AD
Eusebius AD 263 – 339 AD
Photius AD 877 – 886 AD
Thallus - But there are no actual record of him except a fragment of writing which mentions the sack of Troy [109 BC] Showing that he was clearly not alive in biblical times.
Some even try to use Seneca. 4 BCE – 65 CE but as a Stoic Philosopher he opposed religion yet made not a single mention of a Jesus or Christianity!
Even funnier is trying to claim Celsus AD ? – 177 AD Who said that Jesus was a Jew who’se mother was a poor Jewish girl whose husband, who was a carpenter, drove her away because of her adultery with a Roman soldier named Panthera. She gave birth to an illegitimate child named Jesus. In Egypt, Jesus became learned in sorcery and upon his return presented himself as a god.
So basically just copy the bible?
Ok. I could wright a equally violent self contradictory and long fairy tale. Want me to?
You can't duplicate fictional stories in real life, especially ones that involve gods, demons and angels.
Also, flooding the whole world would not be possible to duplicate.
Randi wasn't all that bright. Thinking that if you are able to fake something, that "proves" the original thing was a hoax, is a huge logic fail, and yet people seem to accept it anyway.
Many, many books and essays and stories have been written about morals and such, and fantastic miracles, and copies have been made, distributed and have gathered major amounts of followers. The Bible is not unique in this regard. I would recommend you read more things, especially fiction. You might try Lord of the Rings -- the series has all the narrative elements you mentioned above, plus thousands of fans. Some people even believe the books had a basis in reality -- so much for telling fantasy from reality!
I love the fact that so many atheists seem to repeat over and over at how "logical" atheists are, but then they never present a logical argument to support their belief.
What? repeat millions of years of evolution?
Why don't you put Jesus on TV?
reason and logic which atheists have is the mark that God gave on Cain's forehead . this reason was against faith . Dnt know where it has gone now though :)
Kumaré is a documentary about a man who impersonates a wise Indian Guru and builds a following in Arizona.
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You have the Koran, the book of Mormon. You should stop and open your eyes instead of basking in ignorance.
Well Criss Angel can walk on water
參考: Watching Criss Angel Mindfreak
So Christianity invented Jesus or rather the Romans who invented Jesus also invented Christianity around the NT Jesus the story which the Romans also wrote. Since Jesus is your star or the star of Christianity and has been debunked many times over the years, what does that really leave you. Nothing but a shell and nothing but a 'whole lota empty claims. I never cease to be able to laugh about Christians making so many claims and they are too afraid to do any research into real history because they know that history shows nothing about their Jesus. I thought you guys claimed to be about love and honesty and truth, but yet you do not want to know the truth about your belief system which is that it is not truth.
For a couple reasons. For one, even though I don't think that any religion is true, I don't have anything against most of them. Especially Christianity. Why would I try to make people stop believing in something that makes them happy, even if it isn't true? Another reason is because people used to be much more ignorant than they are. We understand so much more about the world now. The only reason these claims still exist is because of how popular Christianity has been for such a long time. If these kinds of claims were to be made today, and people weren't so used to it, nobody would believe it. But if you backed up a few hundred years and made something similar to the Bible, I think you would get similar results.
Shocking question, , hardly worth a response. .. we evolved from common ancestors of chimpanzees. .. we developed larger brains after a few millions of years and thought the sun and moon were gods and became more self aware and question things... we EVOLVED. 5000 years ago man thought the earth was flat, worshipped many many gods because life at first look appears to be created. We now clearly understand evolution by non random selection. Here is something that almost everyone must believe. .. mormanism was written in 1800s by a know charlatan and con man and managed to create a cult some serious wacky beliefs. That's a hoax.... if understand anything about religion you'd know that's a hoax.... rather than make up another wacky story lets focus on science and the interesting things it can tell us...
They cannot prove anything about the Bible one way or the other. The Bible produces faith one way or the other. That faith/theory in action is all we have because it tells us we must have faith.