Dog Section: Happy Monday?

Is this a trick question? I don't breed anymore but I would be interested in him ZERO. I guess the people who owned those 10 b*tches were desperate though.

Sounds like the prefect stud for some of the bybs in here.

I would never be that desperate to breed..ever

Sounds like from your description the only thing that can be said is his reproductive
parts are working.

How desperate would I be to use this dog- well if he was the last intact dog on the planet and mine was the last intact female then I would be pretty desperate. Anything other then that scenario-what are you nuts?

ADD: My weekend was very interesting. I accompanied my friend to a kennel she was to evaluate some of their dogs. I had no idea there was a puppy mill wihtout having to drive more then two hours. They have 31 puppies born in just the last six weeks.

I knew they had been in trouble with Animal Reg a few years ago but did not remember the details.
So when I got home I went to their website only to see that they sell their "Trained" puppies (6-12 months old) for $10,000-$15,000. Trained means they sit, lay down, stay, and give a high five! Their newborn puppies start at $2,950.
These are Golden Retrievers and they advertise their "special colors" of English Cream.
They have "Champions" however I have never heard of the organization they compete with.
They list no health checks.
Their sales contract says that you have a two year health guarantee, but if your dog gets hip or elbow dysplasia they will not even address it until the dog is 18 months old and you must OFA certify it-yep a vet diagnosing it is not enough. Also YOU MUST buy their brand of vitamins or your two year health guarantee is null and void.

So its not so much that I am amazed at how lousy a breeder they are, I am amazed that there are apparently so many lousy consumers out there that would buy from them.

I actually commend them for being able to get people to part with so much money for nothing.
I wish I could figure out something like that- and still be able to live with myself.

ADD: Here is how they desribe one of their "Trained" dogs
Gentle sweet and a pleaser she is sure to keep everything Shiney in your life. Nothing problematic will come of taking this little girl home. She enjoys playing chase and is just a fun girl to have around. Would be great in a family with young children.
$15,000.00 born 2/1/11

Here is what your Trained puppy will do-
"When they are placed in a home, they will be potty trained, crate trained, walk on a leash, basic obedience training including: come, sit, stay, down, wait , heel & High 5. They learn to chase & retrieve the ball & drop it at your feet. They will learn right from wrong"
"Included with all of the above your preschool pup will learn about riding in a car"

GOOD NEWS- You can buy an 8 year old retired breeder for only $2,500

ADD: Raven how did you guess about the Nu Vet I had never heard of it.
This is no rescue-but I know who you are referring to- this is a breeder of Golden Retrievers.

TO MS. MANNERS- Come on $15,000 is pocket change for a guaranteed "Shiney" life.
Wait if you don't feed the vitamins do you lose the "Shiney" Guarantee?
Also they do all the training in two months! I am thinking of sending my Husband to them
because in 14 years there are things that still need work!

Ethical breeders would never scrape the barrel and use a "cash point" stud dog, with semen depositing x amount in the owner's wallet.

The stud dog has a pulse and can reproduce, but breed worthy is another matter.

A shopping list of faults that substandard kennel owners or back yard breeders are either ignorant of or indifferent to, including trading on another kennels success by pointing to successful lineage, one descended testicles [a fault in any breed not to have two descended into the scrotum], not proven against the standard or health tested for all the conditions known to affect the breed, with current results available.

If the owner of a b*tch is unconcerned about the quality of what pops out after 63 days because there is a consumer demand for pet quality puppies sold to anyone with cash in their wallet, so they will be sold on, availability of the stud and being “getting the job done” would tick all their boxes.

Personally I wouldn't. I'm not a breeder, and I don't intend to be for a LONG time, but one day when I get a breeder mentor and learn to do it right, I hope to.

The reasons are numerous, and most based on knowledge I already know, or personal beliefs.

4 years old and already sired 10 litters in three years? Um...gosh no, to me that's just cruel. Like a damn puppy mill. Is this a puppy mill stud? Regardless of the fact he's registered or not..it doesn't sound reputable.

All the breedings and one hasn't been kept for showing? Classic signs of him being used as a "money maker" which once again, is both cruel, and well..cruel.

ONLY has half of his clearances. Where the hell is the other half and why haven't they been done frequently like they're SUPPOSED to be?

I haven't got a clue what unilaterally cryptorchid means, but it doesn't sound good to me...I might have to look that up. (Once again, I'm not a breeder)

I wouldn't skip the first two generations...regardless of how great the rest of the lineage is.

So-so conformation? Hmm, I don't know about that. If he's so-so then why would he be considered right for breeding if he isn't great?

So would I be desperate to breed him? Absolutely NOT. There's way too many warning signs and red flags there that make me hope that dog is lucky enough to escape some major health issues.

Edit: That is just...horrible. I hate "registered" breeders who make reputable ones look bad. These people are the type who make ones doing the RIGHT thing get so little recognition and the BYBs and puppy mills look "nice" to the less informed. Ugh! Let this be a note to those reading...just because a breeder is "registered" does NOT make them reputable or GOOD breeders! You need to know what you are looking for, and how well CARED for the dogs are.

That wouldn't be desperation, it would be throwing in the towel and joining the ranks of 'them'. Cryptorchid - no way. A LOT can go wrong in those 2 generations of 'less than stellar' in a pedigree (I'd rather see the past two generations of great, and so-so before that). I really wouldn't want that dog appearing in my pups pedigree if every neighborhood b*tch had him in there as well. May as well have had no health testing done if what he has had is now meaningless. So-so of course is not good enough structurally, so I'd have to say I'd need a gun to my head to use him. I'd rather not breed at all if all I'm going to produce is more crap.

Is this a hypothetical or real stud?

I am not a Breeder but would not be interested

People breed anything that could stand on 4 legs these days. Limited health testing and as long as the dog has his nuts, everything else will fall into place. Sounds like a major BYB!! If the dog is only producing pet quality, no working, no show.....the dog needs to be clipped (neutered) and save the stud duty for a real stud, not just a money maker. I can just imagine this dog's conformation: sway back, splayed toes, etc. People breed anything these days and don't give a crap what they breed it with or with what dog. Really despise people like that!!

UHAVE2BE: Dang, that much for a basic obedience trained dog? I swear!! I really do! I screwed all up by getting Teensy spayed and not letting her have pups. If I knew I could sell basic obedience pups for that much, with a guaranteed slobber hound award.......would have done it a long time ago!! I wonder is it too late to get Teensy's reproductive organs stitched back in. Lol!! That's crazy!!

Anyway, my weekend went GREAT!! My sister had a baby girl (she was only in labor for an hour) and it's her first child. My big sister is brave. My dad asked me, "When are you having children?" Me "You aren't getting any kids out of me!" Lol! I'm the only one out of 5 children, to not have ANY kids. They now think I'm weirder than I already am.

My Monday is going great as well. I ate chocolate chip waffles this morning, bored to death in college class and came back home to see UPS coming. I got my new Dogtra Surestim M Plus+additional collar, only the people forgot to the damn transmitter in the box with it. Now, I have to wait a few days to get it. Better be here by the weekend. Lol!!

Cryptorchid should have been the end of the road as far as breeding was concerned, forget the other issues.
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Uhave.....how amazing that they would know what would keep my life "shiney". :o)
And are able to teach a dog "right from wrong"......

No wonder they are so expensive....where else could you find a dog that could serve as your moral compass? :o)

Naw...I'd have no interest. There's enough uniballed dogs in the world without producing more. I can say the same about balless men.

My weekend required that I work. I do have to support my canine habit. It's too bad that I can't get them to work for a living. They could start by brushing themselves instead of shedding.

I wouldn't.
I'd probably let my breed die out before using that stud.





my weekend was so-so. huge show in chicago. everything that could go wrong in the RV did. I was the only blue dog in a sea of red and brindle, I took time off before this show to let JJ mature and she jumped around like a puppy in the ring. I also left early, got a refund on my entry due to a judge change, and broke the major.

the positives? my friends dane got BOB 2 days in a row, earning his first 2 points. and her lowchen (just old enough to show) got a 5-point major at her first show, and the next day went reserve to that major.
JJ passed the CGC test with flying colors, and I got to catch up with a lot of friends

Not a breeder but wouldn't be interested if I was.

My weekend was very boring.

Not a breeder, but if I was a "desperate" breeder I would retire ALL of them Dams too and start domesticating wolves! lol

Are we talking Puppy Mill or Mini Puppy Mill here!



How was my weekend? You mean today is not Sunday? lol

You wouldn't catch me dead breeding a dog like that. Both testicles should of been ripped out the second they didn't drop.


EDIT: I would only breed a less then desirable dog if he was continually throwing out great pup after great pup.

His owner would most likely believe my spayed female can get pregnant by him. Hey, I guess let them breed away. IF Gabbie will even allow him.

I must be one of a rare few that won't be suckered. All of my dogs were/are rescyes, and one was given to us.

My weekend sucked. I got a cold. And I coupdn't afford to take a sick day today.

By the way, is your kitty on a raw diet? Just wondering. I hear cats are harder to transition to raw.

I could never be that desperate... Seeing as there is chilled/frozen semen from dogs all around the world... HA. No. Never that low.

Just because he has testicles and can breed doesn't mean he should. I guess when you're a byb and your b*tch isn't top quality then you get desperate and will go to that..

My weekend was just fab. Sorry yours was a bust!