Dog Section: Happy Monday?

2012-02-27 6:40 pm
Hope everyone had a good weekend because mine was a complete bust. anyways on to the question of the day.

Mostly to the breeders on here, but even if you don't breed join the fun. How desperate would you have to be to use a stud like this?
-4 years old has been at stud since over 1.
-Has produced around 10 litters with about 60+ pups.
-all the breedings have been to pet bitches and the pups have gone to pet homes for the most part so no real knowledge on how the pups have turned out
-Has half his health clearances done, but they are out of date(thyroid and heart)
-Is unilaterally cryptorchid
-Has a GREAT pedigree if you skip the first two generations
-is "a gentle breeder"
-So so conformation in build and color
更新1:

Julie: I wish I was pulling this out of thin air. I REALLY do. Msg me if you want all the lovely details.

更新2:

Alesi's: Nope very real with 3 more litters on the way for this year so far. Ernie: means he's got a retained testicle, build and color aren't that great. one pup has been kept(to follow in daddy's pawprints). They don't show period. As for the why? Never got an answer about that. As for the other testing quote "his hips are lovely" unquote. its not like they can't afford it when they are selling pups at $1,000+ a pop. That's of course just for limited. Can't imagine how far the rack up the price for breeding rights.

更新3:

Uhave: I've come to the conclusion that when it comes to buying pets, most people allow themselves to be taken advantage of. Its not all just being new to dog buying, its that they are so desperate for a puppy they are willing to overlook the obvious flags. And they push Nuvet huh? Shocker...not. Most breeders like that never part with their money anyways without being fought tooth and nail and many people just don't have it in them to fight that long far and hard for compensation.

更新4:

uhave: sounds like a certain rescue out in Cali. Somehow I doubt very much those "trained" pups are all that trained. And even if they were, 10 grand? not on your life.

更新5:

Uhave: because just about every crap breeder who knows about it, pushes it and makes it part of their guarantee. I'll correctly assume the have a link on their site as well to purchase it or provide their buyers with the code needed to get it, as Nuvet does not sell to the general public. You can't even order from their site without a referral code(which of course provides a lovely comission to the person who provided it) I don't know if the stuff is worth what they charge, $50+ for one bottle, but they make some big claims on their site. You'd think a "miracle" pill that , "is the safe, fast way to eliminate all kinds of ailments once and for all. Recommended by thousands of top breeders and veterinarians, NuVet Plus® can wipe away a lifetime of canine illnesses in just weeks and keep your pet healthy and protected against sickness and disease – for the rest of their lives." wouldn't need a middle man to get your hands on it.

回答 (16)

2012-02-27 6:43 pm
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Is this a trick question? I don't breed anymore but I would be interested in him ZERO. I guess the people who owned those 10 b*tches were desperate though.
2012-02-28 2:48 am
Sounds like the prefect stud for some of the bybs in here.

I would never be that desperate to breed..ever
2012-02-28 2:49 am
Sounds like from your description the only thing that can be said is his reproductive
parts are working.

How desperate would I be to use this dog- well if he was the last intact dog on the planet and mine was the last intact female then I would be pretty desperate. Anything other then that scenario-what are you nuts?

ADD: My weekend was very interesting. I accompanied my friend to a kennel she was to evaluate some of their dogs. I had no idea there was a puppy mill wihtout having to drive more then two hours. They have 31 puppies born in just the last six weeks.

I knew they had been in trouble with Animal Reg a few years ago but did not remember the details.
So when I got home I went to their website only to see that they sell their "Trained" puppies (6-12 months old) for $10,000-$15,000. Trained means they sit, lay down, stay, and give a high five! Their newborn puppies start at $2,950.
These are Golden Retrievers and they advertise their "special colors" of English Cream.
They have "Champions" however I have never heard of the organization they compete with.
They list no health checks.
Their sales contract says that you have a two year health guarantee, but if your dog gets hip or elbow dysplasia they will not even address it until the dog is 18 months old and you must OFA certify it-yep a vet diagnosing it is not enough. Also YOU MUST buy their brand of vitamins or your two year health guarantee is null and void.

So its not so much that I am amazed at how lousy a breeder they are, I am amazed that there are apparently so many lousy consumers out there that would buy from them.

I actually commend them for being able to get people to part with so much money for nothing.
I wish I could figure out something like that- and still be able to live with myself.

ADD: Here is how they desribe one of their "Trained" dogs
Gentle sweet and a pleaser she is sure to keep everything Shiney in your life. Nothing problematic will come of taking this little girl home. She enjoys playing chase and is just a fun girl to have around. Would be great in a family with young children.
$15,000.00 born 2/1/11

Here is what your Trained puppy will do-
"When they are placed in a home, they will be potty trained, crate trained, walk on a leash, basic obedience training including: come, sit, stay, down, wait , heel & High 5. They learn to chase & retrieve the ball & drop it at your feet. They will learn right from wrong"
"Included with all of the above your preschool pup will learn about riding in a car"

GOOD NEWS- You can buy an 8 year old retired breeder for only $2,500

ADD: Raven how did you guess about the Nu Vet I had never heard of it.
This is no rescue-but I know who you are referring to- this is a breeder of Golden Retrievers.

TO MS. MANNERS- Come on $15,000 is pocket change for a guaranteed "Shiney" life.
Wait if you don't feed the vitamins do you lose the "Shiney" Guarantee?
Also they do all the training in two months! I am thinking of sending my Husband to them
because in 14 years there are things that still need work!
2012-02-28 3:15 am
Ethical breeders would never scrape the barrel and use a "cash point" stud dog, with semen depositing x amount in the owner's wallet.

The stud dog has a pulse and can reproduce, but breed worthy is another matter.

A shopping list of faults that substandard kennel owners or back yard breeders are either ignorant of or indifferent to, including trading on another kennels success by pointing to successful lineage, one descended testicles [a fault in any breed not to have two descended into the scrotum], not proven against the standard or health tested for all the conditions known to affect the breed, with current results available.

If the owner of a b*tch is unconcerned about the quality of what pops out after 63 days because there is a consumer demand for pet quality puppies sold to anyone with cash in their wallet, so they will be sold on, availability of the stud and being “getting the job done” would tick all their boxes.
2012-02-28 2:51 am
Personally I wouldn't. I'm not a breeder, and I don't intend to be for a LONG time, but one day when I get a breeder mentor and learn to do it right, I hope to.

The reasons are numerous, and most based on knowledge I already know, or personal beliefs.

4 years old and already sired 10 litters in three years? Um...gosh no, to me that's just cruel. Like a damn puppy mill. Is this a puppy mill stud? Regardless of the fact he's registered or not..it doesn't sound reputable.

All the breedings and one hasn't been kept for showing? Classic signs of him being used as a "money maker" which once again, is both cruel, and well..cruel.

ONLY has half of his clearances. Where the hell is the other half and why haven't they been done frequently like they're SUPPOSED to be?

I haven't got a clue what unilaterally cryptorchid means, but it doesn't sound good to me...I might have to look that up. (Once again, I'm not a breeder)

I wouldn't skip the first two generations...regardless of how great the rest of the lineage is.

So-so conformation? Hmm, I don't know about that. If he's so-so then why would he be considered right for breeding if he isn't great?

So would I be desperate to breed him? Absolutely NOT. There's way too many warning signs and red flags there that make me hope that dog is lucky enough to escape some major health issues.

Edit: That is just...horrible. I hate "registered" breeders who make reputable ones look bad. These people are the type who make ones doing the RIGHT thing get so little recognition and the BYBs and puppy mills look "nice" to the less informed. Ugh! Let this be a note to those reading...just because a breeder is "registered" does NOT make them reputable or GOOD breeders! You need to know what you are looking for, and how well CARED for the dogs are.
2012-02-28 2:50 am
That wouldn't be desperation, it would be throwing in the towel and joining the ranks of 'them'. Cryptorchid - no way. A LOT can go wrong in those 2 generations of 'less than stellar' in a pedigree (I'd rather see the past two generations of great, and so-so before that). I really wouldn't want that dog appearing in my pups pedigree if every neighborhood b*tch had him in there as well. May as well have had no health testing done if what he has had is now meaningless. So-so of course is not good enough structurally, so I'd have to say I'd need a gun to my head to use him. I'd rather not breed at all if all I'm going to produce is more crap.

Is this a hypothetical or real stud?
2012-02-28 2:46 am
I am not a Breeder but would not be interested
2012-02-28 5:19 am
People breed anything that could stand on 4 legs these days. Limited health testing and as long as the dog has his nuts, everything else will fall into place. Sounds like a major BYB!! If the dog is only producing pet quality, no working, no show.....the dog needs to be clipped (neutered) and save the stud duty for a real stud, not just a money maker. I can just imagine this dog's conformation: sway back, splayed toes, etc. People breed anything these days and don't give a crap what they breed it with or with what dog. Really despise people like that!!

UHAVE2BE: Dang, that much for a basic obedience trained dog? I swear!! I really do! I screwed all up by getting Teensy spayed and not letting her have pups. If I knew I could sell basic obedience pups for that much, with a guaranteed slobber hound award.......would have done it a long time ago!! I wonder is it too late to get Teensy's reproductive organs stitched back in. Lol!! That's crazy!!

Anyway, my weekend went GREAT!! My sister had a baby girl (she was only in labor for an hour) and it's her first child. My big sister is brave. My dad asked me, "When are you having children?" Me "You aren't getting any kids out of me!" Lol! I'm the only one out of 5 children, to not have ANY kids. They now think I'm weirder than I already am.

My Monday is going great as well. I ate chocolate chip waffles this morning, bored to death in college class and came back home to see UPS coming. I got my new Dogtra Surestim M Plus+additional collar, only the people forgot to the damn transmitter in the box with it. Now, I have to wait a few days to get it. Better be here by the weekend. Lol!!
參考: owns 2 dogs/1 turtle
2012-02-28 3:37 am
Cryptorchid should have been the end of the road as far as breeding was concerned, forget the other issues.
*****
Uhave.....how amazing that they would know what would keep my life "shiney". :o)
And are able to teach a dog "right from wrong"......

No wonder they are so expensive....where else could you find a dog that could serve as your moral compass? :o)
2012-02-28 12:28 pm
Naw...I'd have no interest. There's enough uniballed dogs in the world without producing more. I can say the same about balless men.

My weekend required that I work. I do have to support my canine habit. It's too bad that I can't get them to work for a living. They could start by brushing themselves instead of shedding.
2012-02-28 3:56 am
I wouldn't.
I'd probably let my breed die out before using that stud.





my weekend was so-so. huge show in chicago. everything that could go wrong in the RV did. I was the only blue dog in a sea of red and brindle, I took time off before this show to let JJ mature and she jumped around like a puppy in the ring. I also left early, got a refund on my entry due to a judge change, and broke the major.

the positives? my friends dane got BOB 2 days in a row, earning his first 2 points. and her lowchen (just old enough to show) got a 5-point major at her first show, and the next day went reserve to that major.
JJ passed the CGC test with flying colors, and I got to catch up with a lot of friends
2012-02-28 2:50 am
Not a breeder but wouldn't be interested if I was.

My weekend was very boring.
2012-02-28 10:50 pm
Not a breeder, but if I was a "desperate" breeder I would retire ALL of them Dams too and start domesticating wolves! lol

Are we talking Puppy Mill or Mini Puppy Mill here!



How was my weekend? You mean today is not Sunday? lol
2012-02-28 10:23 pm
You wouldn't catch me dead breeding a dog like that. Both testicles should of been ripped out the second they didn't drop.


EDIT: I would only breed a less then desirable dog if he was continually throwing out great pup after great pup.
2012-02-28 4:51 am
His owner would most likely believe my spayed female can get pregnant by him. Hey, I guess let them breed away. IF Gabbie will even allow him.

I must be one of a rare few that won't be suckered. All of my dogs were/are rescyes, and one was given to us.

My weekend sucked. I got a cold. And I coupdn't afford to take a sick day today.

By the way, is your kitty on a raw diet? Just wondering. I hear cats are harder to transition to raw.
2012-02-28 3:52 am
I could never be that desperate... Seeing as there is chilled/frozen semen from dogs all around the world... HA. No. Never that low.

Just because he has testicles and can breed doesn't mean he should. I guess when you're a byb and your b*tch isn't top quality then you get desperate and will go to that..

My weekend was just fab. Sorry yours was a bust!


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