Tough Problem,Lattice,Circles

2010-06-21 3:06 am
In a one-fourth-circle of radius R(R is a integer greater than 2),
there
is a set of points {(xi,yi)}
such that
1. xi^2 +
yi^2 <= (<-- smaller or equal to) R^2
2. gcd(xi,yi)=1
3.
xi,yi are positive integers

Pm is the m-th point (sort by
slope) in the set of points.

Prove
that, for all m and R, the angle that P1, the origin, P2 make with is
always not smaller than the angle that Pm, the origin, P(m+1) make with.


The
statement is proved TRUE FOR
2<R<11 (NUMBERICALLY)
更新1:

Sorry for the typesetting

更新2:

just a little correction of mistake: 1. sort by slope in DESCENDING order (but the order does not really matter, because of symmetric properties) 2. sort by slope, the slope of the line passing thru. O and the point

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Andrew: you can answer it. it is good if this problem can be solved. but it could be solved, i would still award you best answer

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1. Pick's theorem? Brilliant. You want to compare the area of triangles P(i) O P(i+1) using 1/2absin theta and Pick's? (<--a guess) 2. Actually this is only a part of a big problem. The big problem itself is a minmax problem. and now we are at the max stage.

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3. Yes, it breaks. But what is your idea? perhaps there exists a line that is suitable to bound the points without changing the no. of point.

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(supp.) 3. because the quarter circle gives the points to be considered

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Please recall that Pm is the m-th point (sort by slope in ascending or descending order) in the set of points. And we'd like to find the largest angle that the line P_m O makes with P_m+1 O

回答 (2)

2010-06-29 7:06 pm
✔ 最佳答案
Working on it.

Couple hints for others:

1.) Consider Pick's theorem - I think it is relevant here.
2.) The GCD constraint is really simply removing lines with exactly same slope.

2010-06-24 13:25:20 補充:
We can think of this problem as a maximin problem - for a particular point, minmize by finding a point nearby that minimize the angle, and maximize by finding the point that maximize the quantity above.

2010-06-24 13:25:29 補充:
From this perspective - we can approach the problem this way. From a point, try to find an upper bound of the minimized angle. If this upper bound is less than the one between P1 and P2, we are done.

2010-06-24 13:25:39 補充:
By Pick's Theorem - we have the area of the triangle = 0.5, I wonder how can we make use of this fact. It sounds like a constrainted maximization problem - find a triangle with with integer coordinates, area = 0.5, with maximum angle.

2010-06-24 13:25:46 補充:
kwanhimshek - if you have a simulation program, can you remove the constraint that the points are in the quarter circle - does that break the conjecture?

2010-06-29 11:06:52 補充:
I don't have a complete answer yet, but I want to share what I think about the problem and hopefully we can answer that together.

First of all, we can leverage Pick's theorem. For all the triangles that are formed by three lattice point on the vertexs and no lattice point on the edge in interior, the area must be 0.5.

We can also calculate the area in a different way using vector cross product,
suppose the points are (a, b) and (c, d) respectively, we have

2A = |ad - bc| = 1

We can also calculate the area in a third way, in particular, we have

2A = |(a,b)| |(c,d)| sin theta = 1

Now since sine is an increasing function, therefore the larger the angle, the larger the sine, therefore, if we want big angles, we will have small length products.

Unfortunately, Pick's theorem does not help us to eliminate all wrong triangles, in particular, we can have triangles with no lattice points in the interior and boundary but yet not a valid triangle, (0,1)-(0,0)-(1,0) is a counter example. In fact, it gives the largest possible angle = 90 degree.

2010-06-30 12:16:45 補充:
I think we need more explanation here:

If we join P(m), O, P(m + 1) into a triangle, it will be a triangle that
1) Have no points in the interior (for if there is one, then there is a line with smaller angle and P(m) and P(m+1) could not be next to each other), and

2010-06-30 12:16:49 補充:
2) Have no point in the edge (or otherwise GCD(a,b) > 1 or GCD(c,d) > 1)

Therefore it will satisfy the Pick's theorem, let us call these right triangles.

There are wrong triangles that also satisfy Pick's theorem, as I mention in the last paragraph.

2010-07-02 10:36:30 補充:
I have more findings here.
For ad-bc must equals to 1, and gcd(a, b) = 1.
We can guarentee the existence of (c,d) by the extended euclidean algorithm.

Suppose we get some (c,d) here such that ad-bc=1, another pair of (c',d') that also satisfy the relation::

ad' - bc' = 1
ad - bc = 1
a(d'-d)-b(c'-c)=0
參考: Pick's theorem
2010-07-03 12:30 am
i'll try to understand your answer..but i'm afraid i can't- -


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