Before asking After asking ??

2010-01-18 4:24 pm
Do you know the boy that delivers the newspapers?
Do you know the boy delivers the newspapers?


又是 ( that ) 的問題,總是問來問去,我都覺得有點煩和悶...
Let's go main problem: 我真不明,第一句有that 和第二句沒有that,以我角度來看完全沒有分別,當然我的角度可能很幼稚,唉..都是請大家給我一點竟見,謝謝...

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2010-01-18 7:41 pm
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樓上已經好多用文法給你解釋,我試從估你怎樣看英文解答你。

你覺得兩句一樣,可能為你係用字義(每個字詞的字典解釋)才看(讀)英文,但每種語文都不能單以字詞的義來讀,還要看文句的相關關係。

例如前已有人告訴你第二句不能有兩個verb,但這只一個文法規則的條文,原因是句子的作用是表達主題,而假如有兩個verb即表示在一件事上有同時或同等的行動,就構成表達上的不合理。

that只是一個表達subordinate(附加或附庸性的)關係的用詞,在你未靈活地讀和寫出英語的complex句之前,嘗試了解句子中各樣事物關係,不是文法名稱,而是實際的表達作用。

假設你已識Do you know這問句式的意思,問句中基本上有三樣東西構成這條問題的主題:boy, deliver, the newspaper

作者要指出他想問的是一個特定的boy便要用article"the"表達你是想說一個你指明的男仔。咁下一步你作為作者要交代是你想問的男仔有乜特別使聽你問題的人知道你要問的是那個人;於是你想話比聽眾知「那個」送報紙的。在寫作時是要這樣表達你的準確性,所以the boy是那個主體,但你要表達這個主體的特性時便要用一個附從句,而必須用上「那個」連接關係的字(who-人, that-事);由於在這表達上雖然你是標明一個人,但你形容他的特性是一件他做事,所以作者按重點用了that來引導讀者要看的是這男仔所做的是甚麼。假如你想問的重點是這男仔的性格,就可能要用who(例如:the boy who is shy).

假如沒有了that,就算文法改為delivering沒有錯,但意思上而有分別。

細微的分別是作者原意是描述那個恆常送報來的男仔(he (who) delivers the paper - present tense),但改為 he (who is) delivering其實是省略寫法(基本文法規則如第一句),意思是問正在送報或剛才送報的男仔。

這些作者用意上選用的時式和關係詞是有特定用意的,只可以多看和體會前後文作者的目的。假如單單以字義(各字的個別解釋加起來)來理解便會失去這種用意的體會,亦是因為欠缺這認識很多時引致誤解和不明所以。

當然這一點回答未必完全解答你對英文的理解困難,只是提供另一角度的解釋。
2010-01-18 9:26 pm
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一個句子不可以有兩個動詞

以第二句為例KNOW和DELIVERS都係動詞.

SO IT IS INCORRECT.必須加THAT


GRAMMAR就係咁,你睇得明但係都要跟GRAMMAR條RULE.


RULE就係RULE必需跟,睇得明與否都必需跟
RULE就係RULE必需跟,睇得明與否都必需跟
RULE就係RULE必需跟,睇得明與否都必需跟
RULE就係RULE必需跟,睇得明與否都必需跟

2010-01-18 13:34:02 補充:
Do you know the boy delivers the newspapers is south china morning post is 2 dollars?

我都睇得明,但不等於不用跟GRAMMAR



唯一例外

Do you know the boy i see in every morning?

它不用THAT,因為the boy i see中, BOY為OBJECT
如果係SUBJECT就不能省略



要講既都講晒。
2010-01-18 6:25 pm
that 在從屬句clause內是 [ 関係代名詞 ] ,the boy是人物 ,代詞多用who./形容事/物多用that.不可濫用.

第一句是:that delivers the newspapers?是 [ 從屬句subordinate cause ] 作subject,不過是放在後面.Do you know the boy是[ 主句main cause ] 作object.


當從句作object時可將 [ 関係代詞 that/who]隱藏.
Do you know the boy delivers the newspapers?


從句之原動詞delivers不須作任何改變.雖然是一句,但已是分咗main cause及subordinate clause.冇影響一句內存在兩個動詞.
2010-01-18 5:26 pm
Do you know the boy that delivers the newspapers?

this is talking about the boy. when you add the that in it, it will make this sentence be focused on the boy. it is a question on whether or not you know the boy. which boy? the boy that delivers the newspapers.

Do you know the boy delivers the newspapers?

should be talking about the action of the boy. i.e. delivering the newspapers.
unlike the first one, this means that you know the boy, but you may not know he delivers the newspapers.
2010-01-18 4:37 pm
that其實=who, 作為描述邊個boy
Do you know the boy who/that delivers the newspapers?
who/that delivers the newspapers係adj. clause

如果第二句想省略that,第二句應改為:
Do you know the boy delivering the newspapers?
因為一句sentence唔可以兩個verb.


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