Liberal - Watson set this precidence when he asserted evoution is true we just don't know the mechanisms (Causes). Works for one side but not the other -- Thats just intellectually dishonest.
I did not say there had to be a cause, I asked if there is any obsevational evidence of such a thing happening without a cause...
Lester - I made no mention of any particular cause - you are arguing with your own assumption --- not very rational.
Eddie J --- one word "Thermodynamics"
Eddie J --- one word "Thermodynamics"
Pirate AM -- Organic evolution applies to living things. It says nothing about the origin of living things and therefore has nothing to do with this question.
Lester G -- Sorry missed the second part of your response. Even the most simple forms of life are very complex compared to the most complex technology we have produced.
Crystals (Snowflakes or diamonds) are the result of a combination of forces that can be measured and quantified. They do not randomly pop into existence, you have very specific conditions and forces that result in thier existence. Gravity is a force that has been around as long as man has been around - although not fully understood it was not observed to just pop into existence. Radioactive decay represents a break down not an building up -- it is in essence the opposite of what I was asking.
Liberal Asskicker did get the closest to getting the point. Nothing pops into existence without an underlying cause or causes. The heart of the debate is a person chooses at some point to believe something unbelievable. Either a mathematical miracle (statistically impossible random event), or a materialistic inconcievable (event directed by a supreme being).
Sweet got the answer correct - nothing has ever popped into existence without a cause .. But Liberal got the point -- at the end of the day a subjective decision is made - Which impossibility do I put my faith in?
EddieJ. Hawking radiation or the brown hole affect is just alread existing matter occasionally escaping the proverbial black hole. In most cases (according to Hawking) a matter and anti-matter particle would meet with a big boom in some cases one of the particles would on the event horizon and be pulled back in while the other particle remained. has no real affect on the First or Second Law.
Paul G. I have said nothing about any cause--- Assume makes an *** of U and me. DUH
