is there any documentation other than the bible that proves the existence of jesus?

2009-07-30 2:59 am
serious question ,please no smart asses please. i'm looking for historic evidence,real archived evidence,even if it doesn't mention his "super powers". i'm an atheist but i believe the guy existed and would like something to back it up. thanks

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2009-07-30 3:03 am
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There is documentation that people believed that a person named Jesus existed--e.g. Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews,--but no corroboration that Jesus actually existed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
2009-07-30 3:03 am
someone else answered thsi question just a few hours ago. here is their response:
There isn't any archaeological evidence to the existence of Jesus.

However, there isn't archaeological evidence to support the existence of a lot of people who are thought to have lived 2000 years ago. The most you'll find is manuscripts that mention the person. So do we have that? Yeah.

The first thing to remember is that the NT was not part of the Bible officially until the 4th century... so those are 27 separate accounts of early Christianity and Jesus' life, written by at least nine different people. That right there is more evidence than what remains of evidence for the existence of Alexander the Great. The five contemporary sources to his life have all been lost, and are only preserved in occasional quotes from other authors hundreds of years later.

Add to that the dozens of writings by other Christians who knew the apostles; men like Polycarp, Irenaeus, Clement of Rome, Tertullian, et cetera.

Add to that one passage from Josephus' Antiquities (one passage is disputed, but the other, in which Josephus refers to "James, brother of Jesus, who was called the Christ" is not), along with references from Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian, and several others.

And before anyone says that all the Christian sources are "biased", we don't discount Roman accounts of Roman emperors, do we? And for anyone who tries to say that Josephus and Tacitus aren't "contemporary"... perhaps not by our standards, but by the standards of the time? Yes, they are. After all, Plutarch is considered a reliable source for the life of Alexander the Great, and he wasn't born until 46 A.D., while Alexander died in 323 B.C.

So, is there evidence Jesus existed? Yes. Is there proof that He was all the the Bible says He was/is? No. That's a matter of faith.
2009-07-30 3:05 am
You know the Bible wasn't written as "the Bible", right? It is a compilation of many writings from many sources including a number of eye witness testimonies. Where will you find that kind of contemporary historical records for Julius Caesar? Cleopatra? Hippocrates??
2009-07-30 3:05 am
Documentation???

Jesus is the most written about subject ever in human history.
2009-07-30 3:06 am
The history of the people who got thrown into lion pits, burned at the stake, torn apart, etc. must have believed in Him.

They chose to suffer horrible looking deaths rather than deny Him.

God said 'This is my Son in whom I am well pleased' .
2009-07-30 3:05 am
Quran.
2009-07-30 3:03 am
Josephus wrote about him...i'm pretty sure there are others but I can't remember at the moment...i'll try and find them for you
2009-07-30 3:04 am
Flavius Jocephus is the only historian of that time to write about Jesus, but his writing is widely believed to have been edited by the catholic church.
2009-07-30 3:16 am
well looks like slow_han is giving you the best info so far. i am actually at the end of a book an athiest wrote called "the case for christ". i think his name is lee strobel. it talks about josephus and a couple of other guys he told you about in his answer. this author was an investigative journalist and as i said an athiest. his wife became a christian and when he saw the changes in her he wanted to investigate. so he did. you should read it. it is written intelligently and you must be interested to follow through. the book is excellent. it gives MUCH evidence that not only jesus existed but he is everything the bible says he is. if you truly want answers get this book.
參考: i've read almost the entire book. i had always wanted these questions answered too.
2009-07-30 3:05 am
Eyewitness statements from people but they're in the Bible. I guess that's like asking for proof from a case of evidence but then saying "no this isn't good enough" what will be good enough?
2009-07-30 3:05 am
The Grand Canyon, A CHILD'S LAUGH, A STROKE VICTIM THAT WALKS,
2009-07-30 3:03 am
Josephus claimed to have met Jesus face to face if I'm not mistaken.

I believe he personally witnessed miracles from Jesus.
2009-08-01 11:06 pm
If you take a tour in the Holy land, (like with Benny Hinn maybe or another spirit-filled Christian leader), you will see many things that confirm that the Bible is surely true. One thing is the tomb where Jesus was buried, and of course there are no bones in it because he rose from the dead.
2009-07-30 6:14 am
His servants, you can see the person by his actions when we live in Christ Jesus and Christ Jesus lives in us, this is what you should see in the person who has Christlike character:

Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Nothing can substitute the word of God which is in the Holy Bible, but you can see the designers work just by looking at life in which God is the source. Through his servants you will see his work working in those he loves and are called apon his service.

Its the bible that has Gods word in it which God speaks to us (spiritually) we grow in his knowledge (spiritually) and live by the spirit that keeps us from being confused and keeps us from sinning, walking the right path with Christ that leads to salvation through repentence.

Hosea 4:6

"my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children."
參考: you can got to gotquestions.org
2009-07-30 3:25 am
I'm not being a 'smart ***' but did you know there is more 'evidence' that superman existed than Jesus? The same goes for many fictional characters. (Evidence being the important word here)

But NO is the answer as any account is merely hearsay!

No document proves the existence of Jesus.

If you research the 'other' gospels (the ones that were LEFT OUT of the new testament (called the agnostic gospels I think)) and other writings of the time it seems the man a Jesus is definitely reported but it seems as the story we read now is based on a number of men living around that time.

I just did a quick Google and there is about 200 years worth of reading lol
2009-07-30 3:24 am
in Quran jesus mentioned 112 times, compare with Muhammad 4 times only.
in Hadist (muhammad word/action personal) jesus told thausand times. I remember a book has topic "Jesus in Islamic Literatures".
Even Salman Al Farasiy a prophet Muhammad friend was believed claped eyes on Jessus (that mean Salman's age more than 700 hundred years old!).
you will find the pure sources from islam leteraturs regard to jesus alaihissalam.
even how he will next come to this world .
參考: quran, hadist, islam literatures
2009-07-30 3:19 am
Josephus never claimed to have met Jesus, never witnessed miracles, and in fact he never wrote about him.

Naomi you should be ashamed of yourself. It is well known that the passage about Jesus was a much later insertion.
2009-07-30 3:18 am
Josephus, who was a Nonbeliever and a Historian.

Also my changed life!
2009-07-30 3:13 am
Yes...it is a matter of faith and a matter if u take a look in all 3 sides of the Christan vs Atheist War. Jesus existed and that's that.
參考: The Bible http://www.leestrobel.com/ My own Perspective of the World
2009-07-30 3:12 am
I'm not Christian, but I did take History of Early Civilization in College for my Bachelors and remember clearly that a great many Roman historical documents exist that record bits and pieces of the later days, trial, and execution of a Jewish Rabbi named Jesus.

No religious/Biblical/mystical connotations are included in the historical records. Only simple record keeping of the Roman Empire.
參考: http://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/jesus.html - not exactly pure history but it attempts to stay unbiased without attacking Christianity.
2009-07-30 3:11 am
Hi i'm a Christian. I'm sorry but there is no other books. Only the fact that In these 66 books, you will find a total of 1,189 chapters containing about 31, 273 verses! If this is enough information for me... I know it will be enough information for you! God did his part now you give yours and read his book! I guarantee that you will fall in love with it! Trust me I'm only a mere 13 years old and God has already done some AWESOME things in my life!!! Please read! If you have any other questions or would like a free bible my e-mail address is: [email protected]. At His service,
Jordan Elizabeth
參考: God's Book! BIBLE
2009-07-30 3:10 am
Well I don't have anything concrete in my hands to show you -- but we Catholics, and the Eastern Orthodox, have Sacred Tradition, which is the teachings of Jesus and the ways of worship that have passed down from the apostles themselves. There are also the "Gospels according to" many other people that were not included in the bible, but yet are testimonies regarding him and his life.

I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase, but I saw a documentary ages ago that said the Chinese have an actual written history of Jesus. Not that he was in China, but that Chinese traders came across him.
參考: Catholic
2009-07-30 3:09 am
It is interesting that when people seek historic and scientific proof of Jesus, they immediately discount the Bible as a reliable source.

If we look at the Bible simply as a historic document, it should be among the most reliable on record compared with others.

Historians routinely cite Herodotus as a key source of information. He wrote from 488 B.C. to 428 B.C. and the earliest copy of his work comes from 900 A.D. (1,300 years later). There are only eight known copies of his work.

By contrast, the New Testament of the Bible (with all its information about Jesus) was written between 40 A.D. and 100 A.D. The earliest known copy is from 130 A.D. and there are 5,000 known copies in Greek, 10,000 in Latin and 9,300 in other languages.

Still, to put to rest the notion that there is no historic and scientific proof of Jesus outside the Bible, we may look to Jewish historian Flavius Josephus and to Roman historian Carius Cornelius Tacitus - both well known and accepted.
Read about them at the link below.
2009-07-30 3:08 am
Jesus and His Crucifixion were mentioned in the works of Josephus who was Jewish and didn't believe that Jesus was special in any way. Josephus was respected as a historian by the non Christian Romans and was born in 37 AD.
參考: Wikipedia and the "Collected Works of Josephus".
2009-07-30 3:06 am
There is evidence for Jesus other than the Bible. But there's not documented proof. There's a difference between proof & evidence. But Josephus mentions Jesus in his book of Jewish history. That's (at least) evidence that He existed. It's not proof but it's evidence. Also, the Talmud might talk about him. Once again, that's evidence. In addition, there are some books that claim to be by people who saw him. There's a supposed letter by Jesus that was said to be sent to a king in Africa. This is all evidence but no proof.
2009-07-30 3:20 am
The Roman historian Tacitus, considered to be the most reliable historian of his time, and a diligent researcher with access to now lost Roman records, wrote concerning Nero's attempt to take the blame for the fire of Rome off himself by blaming Christians:

“But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus [Latin for Christ], the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: (Annals 15.44) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus

William F. Albright, who in his day was the world's foremost biblical archaeologist, said: "We can already say emphatically that there is no longer any solid basis for dating any book of the New Testament after about A.D. 80, two full generations before the date between 130 and 150 given by the more radical New Testament critics of today." http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

Flavius Josephus (c. 37–c. 100), a Jew and Roman citizen who worked under the patronage of the Flavians, wrote the Antiquities of the Jews in 93. In it Jesus is mentioned twice, notably in the Testimonium Flavianum, found in Antiquities 18:3.3:

About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease [to follow him], for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day.

Pliny the Younger, the provincial governor of Pontus and Bithynia, wrote to Emperor Trajan c. 112 concerning how to deal with Christians, who refused to worship the emperor, and instead worshiped "Christus".

“They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food—but ordinary and innocent food.”

Suetonius, refers to Christ around 120 CE writing in “The Lives of the Caesars,” Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus ["useful one"] expelled them from Rome." (Claudius 5.25.4). For disputations about the name Chrestus rather than Christus, see here

"Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus [Emperor Claudius in 49 CE] expelled them from Rome." (Claudius 5.25.4)

Celsus, a late second-century critic of Christianity, accused Jesus of being a bastard child and a sorcerer, he never questions Jesus' historicity even though he hated Christianity and Jesus.[23] He is quoted as saying that Jesus was a "mere man". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

Thullus (c. 50-75AD): His writings have disappeared but we know of them from the writing of others, such as Julius Africanus (about AD 221). In them Thullus references to the darkness that occurred at the crucifixion and suggests that a total eclipse was the cause. Julius points out in his writing the impossibility of this since the festival of Passover, when Jesus was crucified, occurs at full moon (eclipses only occur at a new moon). http://www.whybelieve.com/lifechallenge0ph.htm

PHLEGON was another first century historian whose 'Chronicles' have been lost, but he is quoted by other early writers. He also mentions the darkness at the crucifixion of Jesus and proposes the total eclipse theory.

Mara Bar-Serapion (pagan)

What advantage did the Athenians gain from putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as a judgment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burning Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise king? It was just after that that their kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men: the Athenians died of hunger; the Samians were overwhelmed by the sea; the Jews, ruined and driven from their land, live in complete dispersion. But Socrates did not die for good; he lived on in the teaching of Plato. Pythagoras did not die for good; he lived on in the statue of Hera. Nor did the wise king die for good; he lived on in the teaching which he had given (quoted by F. F. Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable? Eerdmans Publishing Co., Fifth Revised Edition, p. 114). http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/serapion.html

Simon Greenleaf (1783-1853), an atheistic principal founder of Harvard Law School, and Royal Professor of Law, set out to disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ by applying the principles of law to the Four Gospels as well as other available accounts of the event. But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen.
2009-07-30 3:08 am
The Islamic view of Jesus lies between two extremes. The Jews , who rejected Jesus as a Prophet of God, called him an impostor. The Christians, on the other hand, considered him to be the son of God and worship him as such. Islam considers Jesus to be one of the great prophets of God and respects him as much as Ibrahim (Abraham), Moses, and Mohammed. (Peace Be Upon Them) This is conformity with the Islamic view of the oneness of God, the oneness of Divine guidance, and the complementary role of the subsequent mission of God's messengers.

The essence of Islam - willing submission to the will of God - was revealed to Adam, who was passed it on to his children. All following revelations to Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus, and finally Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Them) were conformity with that message, with some elaboration to define the revelation between man and God, man and man, man and instructions. Thus, any contradictions among revealed religions is viewed by Islam as a man-made element introduced into these religions. The position of Jesus in the three major religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - should not be an exception.

Although the Quran does not present a detailed life-story of Jesus, it highlights the important aspects of his birth, his mission, his ascension to heaven, and passes judgements on the Christian beliefs concerning him. The Quranic account of Jesus starts with the conception of his mother, Mary, whose mother, the wife of Imran, vowed to dedicate her child to the service of God in the temple. When Mary became a woman, the Holy Spirit (the Archangel Gabriel) appeared to her as a man bringing her news of a son. We read the following dialogue in the Quran between Mary and the Angel:

"When the angel said, "Mary, god gives you a good tidings of a Word from Him whose name is messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, -high honoured shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to God. He shall speak to men in the cradle, and of age, and righteous he shall be, "lord" said Mary "How shall I have a son, seeing no mortal has touched me? "Even so, he said "God creates what He will".

When he decrees a thing He but say to it, "Be", and it is. (Al-Imran 3:45-47)

In a chapter (Surah) entitled "Maryam" (Mary), the Quran tells us how Mary gave birth to her son, and how the Jesus accused her when she brought the child home:

"Then she brought the child to her folk, carrying him, and they said, "Mary, you have surely committed a monstrous thing. Sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, nor your mother a woman unchaste. Mary pointed to the child; but they said, 'Hoe shall we speak to one who still in the cradle, a little child. And he said, 'Lo, I am God's servant, God has given me the Book and made me a Prophet Blessed He has made me ,wherever/may be; and hi has enjoined me to prayer, and to give the alms so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother; He has not made me arrogant and wicked. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up a live. "Maryam 19:29-33)

in the same chapter, following the above quotation, God assures Mohammed (PBUH) and through him the whole world, that what is told above is the TRUTH about Jesus (PBUH), although Christians might not accept it. Jesus is NOT the son of God: He was obviously enough, the son of Mary. The verses continue: "That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him, He nut says to it, 'Be, and it is. (Maryam 19:34-35)

After this strong statement about the nature of Jesus, God directed Mohammed (PBUH) to call the Christians to worship the one God: "Surely God is my God, and your God, so surely serve him. This is the straight path". (Maryam 19:36)

The rejection of the very idea of God having a son is restated later in the same chapter with even stronger words: "And they say, The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son. You have indeed advanced something hideous. As if the skies are about to burst, the earth to split asunder and its mountain to fall down in the utter ruin for that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and behaves not the All-merciful to take a son. None there in the heavens and earth but comes to the All-merciful as a servant" (Maryam 19:88-93)

The Quran recognizes the fact that Jesus had no human father, but this does not make him the son of God, or God himself. By this criterion, Adam would have been more entitled more entitled to be the son of God, because he had neither a father nor a mother, so the Quran draws attention to the miraculous creation of both in the following verses; " truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then He said upon him, 'Be' and hi was. (Al-Imran 3:59)

The Quran rejects the concept of Trinity God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit - as strongly as it rejects the concept of Jesus a
2009-07-30 3:07 am
None that I'm aware of. But then it depend which Jesus that you're referring to:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com is a good site for research.
2009-07-30 3:03 am
no, but its real
2009-07-30 3:02 am
Nope.
I also believe he existed, though.
參考: smart ass.
2009-07-30 3:03 am
if there was more people would believe

there is no documents which agree with anything said in the bible



also... i think i found his birth certificate :)
2009-07-30 3:02 am
No. there is no physical proof.
參考: christian


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