其實韓戰算不算慘烈?

2009-06-20 5:37 am
因為韓戰打到美國海軍陸戰隊要撤退(二戰的硫磺島都沒有撤退兩字)
官方書本話韓戰是唯一一場令美國慘敗的戰爭
因為美國慘到要遺忘佢
事實又是不是?
和韓戰相比起日本戰場,那個可怕?

(近期買了一本專說韓戰的書,台灣寫的
台灣人說美國在這役中"慘敗"
理由是:
1.美國海軍陸戰隊是美國的主要戰力和象徵,韓戰係唯一一場打到佢地要撤退的戰役,因此可以說戰敗
2.美國人寧記念越戰都唔記念韓戰,可見其慘烈度

但是我看維基就相反,戰爭早期美軍吃了不少苦頭,但是後期就反攻,"大屠殺"敵人

我想問以下幾個問題:
1.其實韓戰的真相是如何?美軍真是敗了下來還是不想和蘇聯正面衝突而不用心去打?
2.如果相比起日本戰場或二戰,其激烈度可媲美嗎?
3.中共軍隊的作戰精神可媲美二戰日軍嗎?因為二戰日軍不會投降,但是我看了幾本書,一是共產黨寫,一是台灣或其他國家寫
共產黨寫"中共軍隊作戰英勇","鐵軍","上廿嵿英雄團"就是這樣來
但是台灣或別國寫的就提供不少相片,說不少中共軍隊做戰俘


我只想知一個比較中肯少少的回覆,因為這場戰役給左派渲染很嚴重,沒有中肯成份

回答 (4)

2009-06-22 6:00 am
✔ 最佳答案
First, as always, i just want to say, US Did not lose this war, they just didn't win it as well.

The problem is simple, it always was and always is and always will be two things. 1.) Draftee 2.) Media

I remember an old army commander called Hal Moore (I think you should know him) once send the then SecDef Robert McManara a letter after the Action of Ia Drang. In the letter there are 1 recommendation that catches many politician, soldier and normal people eyes, it goes

If the US have a force that more determine and more willing to engage the enemy, we would need only 1/5 of the man power and resource to win this war.

The problem in Koera is the same, draftee don't have much training do not want to fight and you put them in a dangerous situationa dn let them fend for themselve....

The media is a problem too, if you have not know already, the country that generate best result in war is usually also censor any informration from it, if you sitting in your dining room watching TV and it all goes to those images of your copuntrymen dying in front of you, what would you think?

Go back to the question.....

1.其實韓戰的真相是如何?美軍真是敗了下來還是不想和蘇聯正面衝突而不用心去打?

Let me answer your question by, how can you fight a fight if one of your hand was tie behind your back.

Underestimate of China joining the war as well as underestimating Chinese ability to fight also contributed to the unsuccessful US/UN offensive.

Futhermore, the Korean War was widely believe as US tool to test how deep it goes into Russia Throat before they will take action.

2.如果相比起日本戰場或二戰,其激烈度可媲美嗎?

in Some case, the war has been more exciting than any battle in WW2 put together.

3.中共軍隊的作戰精神可媲美二戰日軍嗎?因為二戰日軍不會投降,但是我看了幾本書,一是共產黨寫,一是台灣或其他國家寫

I cannot say if those Chinesse fighter would fight to the death or rather surrender, but i can say for sure that Chinese do not have the Japanese mentiality, that is the honor to the emperor is larger than its own life.

Not that i mean Chinese do not take honor as a serious matter....
2009-06-21 6:32 am
韓戰激唔激烈﹖小弟唔敢話係韓戰專家,不過美軍係韓戰最大損失既戰役被稱作“傷心嶺之戰”(Battle of Heartbreak Ridge)。我無聽過美軍係越戰或二戰有類似既名稱,可想而知戰況之慘烈。事實上,據維基介紹,聯合國軍於此役傷亡達35,000人,以韓戰既標準黎講,係單一戰役有咁大傷亡絕對係極為慘重既損失。
我仲睇過有個美國作者係佢既著作話美軍曾經僅僅為攻佔一個山頭就損失超過1,000人,可想而知韓戰絕對係一場慘烈既戰爭。
2009-06-20 4:05 pm
yes, you can say American lost the fight in Korea. during the beginning of the war, they never think the North can be moved down so fast.
but after re- supply American did had some tough fight with the North, both sides had pushed each other back and forth over the broader line.
one time American did attrack near the captial city to the North, then suprisely they met the new replacement from Communist China. there were about 1 million Chinese volunteer suicide soldiers came out from the northern mountain. they used their blood and life succed push American back to the broader line........
you know, even now the korea war is still not ended, they just chase fire for the long 50 years. that's why the North continue say they will fight again.
also, who say the America people not remember the Korea war? you can see there are memorial statue / plaze all over every cities, counties and towns.
there are Korea war menorial day, veteran parades and memory events every year. American see the Korea war very seriously and positively because they saw them had fough it for the ten of millions South Korean freedom.
參考: live in US over 30 yrs
2009-06-20 8:11 am
在越戰,很多美國人認為是輸在政客手上(政客包括美國及越南之政客/官員),在前線士兵努力作戰,政客在後方抽後腿,戰敗與軍方無大關係。
韓戰就真正是兩軍對壘,實實在在之戰術比對,當時美國配備精銳之海軍陸戰隊被打得落花流水,甚至麥帥更想使用核彈,可想而知當時美軍之景況。美國人這麼自大,又那會想再提起。
其實美軍在傷亡上,並只比在越南多些少,敗只在自信心上而已

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