巫王打敗甘道夫?

2007-01-16 6:41 pm
索倫 / 薩魯曼 / 炎魔 / 甘道夫, 呢四位既然都同屬為邁雅級別,雖實力縱然有高低之分, 但也應該相差不遠...
索倫就應該係第三紀元中最勁架啦...
第二應該係白袍甘道夫, 隡魯曼出火球轟佢都冇事, 仲整爆返薩魯曼支巫仗..
第三係薩魯曼啦, 一開始就係聖白議會巫師長, 實力仲係眾灰/藍/褐袍中最高既白袍, 又曾聯合眾人驅趕索倫, 又曾打敗灰袍甘道夫.(係塔入面隻揪,同係雪山鬥咒語)
第四係炎魔Barlog啦...經過長期沈睡, 同埋去到第三紀元時, 實力已經大減.

索倫就衰係自己創造既魔戒手上啦, 無話可說. 但係甘道丈呢....係米力亞提力斯, 面對住
巫王, 冇傷冇痛...又冇俾人偷襲,但係一野就俾巫王整爆支仗, 冇晒法力....(搞到一向蕭灑既老甘,最後要徒步係Black Gate拎劍去劈...) 最終巫王都係俾pippen 偷襲陰一陰致死.
以上面分析黎講...一個邁雅竟然輸俾區區人類?????
有咁既可能咩????????????????
請高人指點

回答 (3)

2007-01-23 8:28 am
✔ 最佳答案
原著其實係無呢part...

「索倫 / 薩魯曼 / 炎魔 / 甘道夫, 呢四位既然都同屬為邁雅級別,雖實力縱然有高低之分, 但也應該相差不遠...」

你都話Gandalf同Sauron 都係Maiar, 而Witch-king of Angmar同其他Nazgûl都係Sauron 既僕人,Sauron俾佢地nine rings,咁就成左Sauron既僕人,墜落黑暗之中。Sauron既力量非常強大,係魔苟斯Morgoth(真正的Dark Lord)最強大既僕人,至於Nazgûl係Sauron既邪惡"產物",Nazgûl唔多唔少都得到Sauron既力量(雖然始終都係Men),而Witch-king係戒靈王Lord of the Nazgûl,力量又會比其他Nazgûl強。

至於Gandalf,佢雖然係Maiar,但佢係"魔戒聖戰"時,都唔係成日有用到自己既法力,佢都係用劍去殺d orcs...(好似話Valar主神禁止嗰5個黎Middle-earth既wizards直接挑戰Sauron,咁即係唔好濫用法力!?)Gandalf都唔係算得上強大:Gandalf the Grey同Moria隻Balrog打,最後Gandalf the Grey殺死Balrog,但Gandalf the Grey都係死左(只係肉體,靈魂就無死),由此可見,Gandalf the Grey同Balrog力量平均,但佢地同Sauron都係無得比啦!

Gandalf第一次以"灰袍"的身份來到Middle-earth時,是由Manwë曼威派來的,而當Gandalf重返時,是以"白袍"的身份出現,被賦予了更多的力量與智慧,而且係由創造者Eru直接派來。

Saruman本來係好勁,不過自身墮落,被Gandalf the White取代(革職?)咁宜家Gandalf the White同Saruman既力量就係一樣(應該Gandalf勁d添!)

但係佢地呢3位Maiar都係唔可能單獨同Sauron匹敵(聯手就有可能!)

根據《魔戒武器聖戰》(The Lord of The Rings Weapons And Warfares)呢本電影製作特輯講:「剛鐸攻城戰中面對甘道夫,在單挑中折斷其手杖的也是他(指Witch-king)。他的力量十分強大,但也有可能是當至尊魔戒越接近它的創造之地,索倫的力量就越強。」(就算Witch-king折斷Gandalf's手杖也沒用,你唔見Gandalf係Grey Havens有番手杖嗎?)

如果照咁講,又唔係唔合邏輯>Nazgûl都係Sauron 既僕人,Nazgûl係Sauron既邪惡"產物",Sauron俾佢地nine rings,咁就成左Sauron既僕人,墜落黑暗之中。Sauron既力量非常強大,Nazgûl得到唔少Sauron既力量,Witch-king係Lord of the Nazgûl,力量比其他Nazgûl強。而One Ring係「中土世界所存在過的所有武器,沒有一種比至尊魔戒更有力量或更致命。」,佢係Sauron力量既一部分,沒有One Ring,Sauron就好衰弱(但依舊大有能力喎),如果One Ring越接近佢既出生地,Sauron既力量就越強,咁Nazgûl同Sauron係有一個緊密既聯繫,Sauron力量越強,Nazgûl力量就越強。

結論即One Ring越接近佢既出生地,Sauron既力量就越強,Witch-king同Nazgûl力量就越強,咁Witch-king咪有可能打嬴Gandalf the White囉!

又可以咁講佢地既力量,if:
Sauron=20
Witch-king=17(Sauron強個時)/13 to14(Sauron弱個時)
Gandalf the White=17
Saruman=15 to 16
Gandalf the Grey=14 to 15
Balrog=14 to 15

有興趣可以睇下
Many fans of Tolkien's books have, saying it unlikely that the Witch-king — in reality a corrupted, undead human — could be more powerful than Gandalf, who is not human (though he has a human body), but has ancient, divine origins; Gandalf is actually an incarnate angelic being called a Maia…This is only hinted at in The Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf and the other Wizards are said to be agents supposed to work against Sauron…

The Lord of the Rings is quite clear that the Witch-king "wields great powers". Notably, the Witch-king is responsible for the breaking of the mighty gate of Minas Tirith; however, Gandalf has recovered much of his past strength in his latest incarnation, as Gandalf the White. The book also hints that the other eight Nazgûl are aware that "their Captain" would eventually come forth to "challenge the white light of their foe", and indeed, he does aggressively confront Gandalf at the broken gates of Minas Tirith…and the Wizard says, "It might be so. But our trial of strength is not yet come."

Many Tolkien fans thus believe Gandalf should not have been so blatantly defeated in the confrontation; some of these fans contend it was done to heighten the drama of Éowyn and Merry's victory over the Witch-king.

2007-01-26 00:01:25 補充:
現在是由"書"的定義來解釋"電影"的劇情小魔戒力量強, Sauron要在魔戒注入更強力量,生命力&意志,才能控制小魔戒,魔戒才轉變形態!Éowyn (woman) & Merry (hobbit) 殺死Witch-king, "not by the hands of a "man".這句子中,"man"指"男人"
參考: Talking About Tolkien ; 《魔戒武器聖戰》; WIKIPEDIA ; my own LOTRs' knowledge
2007-01-25 6:04 am
樓上的講得一D對,一D唔係幾對......
魔戒離索倫越近,魔戒就越強
呢樣只係其中一個原因,仲有ge係:黑暗力量越強,魔戒越強
當年咕嚕/埃西鐸失去魔戒,就係因為黑暗力量太強,以致有能力改變自已:如放大,變重。
佛羅多在被誤認為魔多軍並召往黑門時,魔戒就變到好重,也是因為黑暗力量太強。
其實如果甘道父使出埃斯塔力的力量,絕對可以打贏巫皇(就算冇有手杖,都有法力,如當年在銀峰使出雷劍擊斃炎魔)。
但巫皇並不是你們想象中的簡單,梅利(陰巫皇的是梅利,唔係皮聘)同伊歐紋攻擊巫皇後,理應失去靈魂而死,幸得人皇救返佢。當年葛羅芬達爾都阻止伊隆追擊巫皇時講過:「沒有活人可以殺死他。」,應該就是說即使有能力殺巫皇的人也會死。

或姐我講下巫皇的身份:
戒靈首,九戒之首,邪靈法師(並不是死靈法師,死靈法師是索倫):可奪人靈魂,北方法師之父(單單是手下的法師,就可在亞爾諾的古墓上引發令剛鐸失去三分一土地和人民的大溫疫),兩名戒靈(安格馬軍官和亞爾諾皇子)的主人,鐵冠皇(令食人妖各族,魯道爾各族統一,並消滅亞爾諾皇國的君皇)
還有事蹟如:與眾戒靈攻陷月城(日城在月城失陷後改名為米那斯提力斯,月城則改為米那斯魔窟),隻身和兩名戒靈殺出重圍,殺死人皇伊隆和其騎士等,也叫人不能少看這「凡人」
但如果甘道夫出招,即使是單單出一招埃斯塔力之光(驅走戒靈時出過),巫皇就串唔落啦......
參考: 精靈寶鑽,魔戒
2007-01-22 12:50 am
當然有可能,
勝敗乃兵家常事,
世上豈有必勝之理!!!!!!!!
註:我不是高人。
參考: 中國戰史


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