試問世界上有誰人比基督徒更無奈?

聖經是不容斷章取義的。

讀聖經時只抽取耶和華要滅城等場面，就像在街上看見父母打孩子
你可知人家背後的用意？
是不是孩子做錯了，家長要教訓，以免以後再錯？
是不是孩子身上有只小昆蟲，家長要幫孩子打走牠？

神對人有施予愛的教育，也有嚴厲的教育。

況且，你又哪知神對部份的人「嗜殺」會是不仁的做法呢？
聽說某些動物，把孩子生下來就知道牠會長不大的話，會立即咬死牠以免孩子以後受苦。

根據聖經，上帝寛容抵擋祂的人，是希望他們悔改。

抵擋上帝的人一直將上帝的慈愛當作放縱的藉口。 可是， 凡事都有定期，寛容始終會有盡頭的一天，報應和審判會接踵而來。

在今世會得到報應，末日審判時會受刑罰。

「況且，你又哪知神對部份的人「嗜殺」會是不仁的做法呢？」

嘩！好嘢！不特只神的想法不是人所能猜度；

原來，連基督徒嘅想法都不是人所能猜度！

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說來,舊約聖經豈不是成了基督教的負資產嗎?

對！若非如此，點會揑造新約來代替舊約呢？

不會的，事實上是這些人曲解聖經，戴上有色眼鏡來批判上帝，故有些錯誤印象

請看：
http://groups.msn.com/jlovem/page12.msnw?action=get_message&ID_Message=742&ShowDelete=0&ID_CLast=770&CDir=-1

如果有憑信心悔改的人，如耶利哥城的喇合，或是特別的義人，如洪水前的挪亞，所多瑪中的羅得，神也不會玉石俱焚的。而且神也並非沒有給人悔改的機會與時間，約拿書的尼尼微城就是很好的例子，創世記十五章16節也提到，亞摩利人的罪孽還沒有滿盈，因此神還不予以審判。

舊約時代要守十誡係要驗証沒有人能靠行為而稱義,所以當到達新約既救恩時代才會有"因信稱義"出現.舊約人仕要守十誡才可得救是小學,而新約時代講既係自發性有制約能力,所以可算係讀緊大學

Old Testament talks about things happened before Jesus Christ was born (including the prophecy of the birth of Jesus) and the New Testament talks about things happened after the birth of Jesus.

The Old Testament gives us a rich historical background. For example, the creation of the world, how the nation of the Jewish people started, the division of the kingdom and how it ended. In this period of time, lots of important things happaned and lots of important people appeared.

The Old Testament also gives us background information of some important laws or rules such as the Ten Commandments, circumcision and etc.

As a result, the Old Testament can never be a 負資產 of Christianity. Rather, it is more than essential to us.

I am not sure what particular 耶和華如何嗜殺等負面內容 you shared with the Christians you know. Is it the flood? The destruction of Sedom and Gomorrah? The ten punishments for the Egyptians?

I think the reason why those Christians ask you to refer to the New Testament because Jesus Christ died for us in the New Testament time and afterward. Jesus is here to complete the law. It would be harder for you to see the love of God in the Old Testament because you think what God did was very brutal. Now that you read that God became one of us, be among us, and experience with us, it should be easier for you to see the love of God.

Afterall, you didn't say that the Christians you have talked to tell you not to read the Old Testament, they only asked you to read the New Testament. After you gain a better understand of what the Christian faith is based on, it is essential to read the Old Testament. I have never heard from any Christian of any church that people should abandon the Old Testament. If they tell you to throw the Old Testament away, watch out, they maybe cults.

Regardless, if you think carefully, telling you to read the New Testament wouldn't make the Old Testament a 負資產 of Christianity. You can go back to the Old Testament anytime you want. Personally, I love the Old Testament. It gives me so much background information and it helps me to understand God better.

Best of luck.

舊約聖經豈不是成了基督教的負資產嗎?

不是
舊約是律法的時代,新約是恩典的時代.
在舊約時代,耶和華藉摩西頒布十誡
(雖然後來被後世的祭司和文士等把十誡再細分了上百條誡命)
但在這時代,有做得不對的當然會有懲罰,

而當中可能你會覺得耶和華好像一個暴君,好像只偏幫某些人,
這是因為自從亞當,夏娃墮落後,他們虧缺了神的榮耀,
罪就從一人(即亞當)入了世界,即世人都犯了罪(因為我們是亞當與夏娃的後裔)
故此在上帝眼中每個都是一樣的(因為上帝不是看人的外貌和行為,而是看人的內心).

所以在舊約中耶和華的所作不是沒有理由和道理的.
如舊約中耶和華曾毀滅了兩個城市---所多瑪和蛾摩拉
因為這兩個城充滿了罪惡(黃,賭,毒)是去到一個神不能再忍受的極處,
加上他們死不悔改,所以耶和華要用火去毀滅它們.
不過神並不是蠻不講理的,亞伯拉罕都為那城求情,
不要滅城的條件由城裡有五十個義人一直問到只得十個義人,
只是那城連十個義人也沒有,只有一個,便是羅得,
最後城被滅了,只有羅得一個義人可以逃過一劫.(這顯明神是有公義的)

而且舊約中有很多事情和預言是與新約有關的,
所以你所認識的基督徒叫你繼讀新約是有理由的.
新約與舊約是相連的,不應分為兩個個體,
就如一本書雖分上下冊,但卻是同一本,
你只看上冊不看下冊當然會一知半解啦~
如果你看看新約的話,你便會讀到"經上所說"之類的說話,
在這裡便有不少地方是與舊約相連的.
而且由於聖經裡用了不少暗喻和比喻的手法
所以聖經中的每一件事情都有它背後的寓意,
需要多花心思看,
但我會建議你問一些傳道人或牧師等對聖經熟悉的人會較易明白,
不用自己靠估~

另外,聖經不單只是一本所謂的故事書,
還是一本歷史書,更是一本充滿奧秘的預言說.

2006-12-12 01:33:09 補充：
回答者 ：christianverydog
[小學級 5 級]所以在舊約中耶和華的所作不是沒有理由和道理的.Q3,請問你基督徒是否支持死刑呢?你咁講神可以隨便殺非基督徒吧?你話人一開始就有罪,因此神殺人就有大條道理. 首先我很多謝你的提問.Q3,不知閣下你又是否支持"死刑"呢?首先我個人認為"基督徒是否支持死刑"這個問題是屬於個人立場的問題,上帝造人其中一特別之處就是---人有自己的自由意識,屬於自己的思想,所以不同的基督徒對"死刑有不同的看法,不能一概而論.

2006-12-12 01:34:21 補充：
另外"你咁講神可以隨便殺非基督徒吧?"如果這樣說難道"基督徒"犯了罪便不用死麼?基督徒與非基督徒亦難免一死,"基督徒"犯了罪不悔改那麼他們便有可能面對永死(在地獄受永火之刑),而基督徒犯了罪卻真心悔改的,雖可以上天堂,但亦要受審判,因為作為一個基督徒,他要向神交帳(即對他一生所行的向神交代).所以我認為你以上的是斷言.因為你不可以斷言非基督徒的死是神所殺的...

2006-12-12 01:35:08 補充：
不要忘記世上有正亦有邪,[即有聖靈(神)也會有邪靈(魔鬼)], 約 10:10 盜 賊 (魔鬼)來 、 無 非 要 偷 竊 、 殺 害 、 毀 壞 ． 我 (耶穌)來 了 、 是 要 叫 羊 〔 或 作 人 〕 得 生 命 、 並 且 得 的 更 豐 盛 。但又不是極端地說"非基督徒"的生命是神奪去或是魔鬼奪去,就如以上提及的自由,容許我誇張舉例,你可以一日三餐全吃高油,鹽,糖的食物,日日8杯酒,這是你的自由,最後不用說也會猜到結果.故此不應斷言說"神可以隨便殺非基督徒".

2006-12-12 01:40:44 補充：
"你話人一開始就有罪,因此神殺人就有大條道理."你的問題是指人自從墮落後即有罪,因此神可以隨便奪去人的生命麼?正如 回答者 ：GOGO聖兵 [中學級 5 級]所說的,神是有給機會人去回轉的,如果神真的如你所說那樣"大條道理",我想早就已經世界末日了......

2006-12-12 01:41:29 補充：
只是神今天仍然給我們機會, 彼後 3:9 主 所 應 許 的 尚 未 成 就 、 有 人 以 為 他 是 耽 延 ． 其 實 不 是 耽 延 、 乃 是 寬 容 你 們 、 不 願 有 一 人 沉 淪 、 乃 願 人 人 都 悔 改 。 而且耶穌在二千年前己說天國近了,那麼時至今天不是更近了麼?不要理所當然的想像自己可以百年歸老,因為馬 太 24:36 但 那 日 子 、 那 時 辰 、 沒 有 人 知 道 、 連 天 上 的 使 者 也 不 知 道 、 子 也 不 知 道 、 惟 獨 父 知 道 。

2006-12-12 01:44:08 補充：
希望Q3的答案能滿足你對知識的渴求,Q4下次答,因為我要zzz了.

I need to say that my attempt to reply is only a reply with limited rationality and understanding of the Truth, but I still hope you don't mind it's in English and the attempt can give you some help. Thank you for your attention.

We need to understand that God is the same one for both the Old Testament and the New Testament. We can't just ignore either testament in understanding God through the Bible. The OT is the prophecy for the NT while the NT makes the OT come true. (舊約預言新約,新約應驗舊約) However, superficially, it seems God is far more merciful in the NT than the OT. He instructed Israelites to extinguish Cannanites, angels to kill the first born in Egypt and something similar. Why is it so?

First of all, we need to understand mankind's position. Every mankind was condemned to death (Roman 3:20) and received judgment by God. No matter how a man loses his life, he just dies due to His permission, but not His will (we must admit that our lives are spared many times by Him). The only man that died by His will is Jesus Christ (refer to 1 Peter 1:5 or nearby). He has the right to let mankind die (by illness, murder, suicide, etc.) God and mankind have qualitative differences.

Secondly, God is still merciful even it looks like He killed lots of people. Other than reasons of mankind's position, some people's sins are also accountable for their own death. Cannanites, who resided in Palestine before Moses and Joshua led the Israelites to move in, are very immoral people even in present kind of moral standard. Their religious ceremonies and rituals included sexual intercourse between all participants, and you can imagine how potential severe diseases would probably spread not only to Israelites but all other people. In short, Cannanites are dangerous both in moral and health senses.

If we think God is cruel, we would fall into a faulty pre-requisite that mankind is innocent. I, you and all others are all not innocent. Everyone can't tell others that s/he is innocent when what s/he has done is shown to them. Mass media have been somewhat used by some TV animation and manga producers to spread their own thinking. One thought is that good and evil is a balance, and another is that god can be deposed by mankind when "god is wrong". It is absolutely not a Biblical thinking, and we need to be cautious for every thought in the world.

Last but not least, God must be merciful because He doesn't kill us when we doubt, and He doesn't kill non-Christians when they blame at Him. It doesn't mean He is powerless to kill but because He's waiting for our repentance. Remember, protesters of God are all contradictory in their arguments, otherwise God can't say He's the Spirit of the Truth.

2006-12-11 11:50:16 補充：
Many protesters of God say God is cruel and ruthless, but by observation, we'll see it's those protesters who lack the virtue of love. So, just ignore those "protests" with a laughter.

hey there!
following Jerome's Veritas Hebraica, the protestant Old Testament consists of the same books as the Tanakh, but the order and numbering of the books are different. Okay,,,like...protestant's number the Old Testament books at 39, while the Jews number the same books as 24. this is because the Jews consider Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles to form one book each, group the 12 minor prophets into one book, and also consider Ezra and Nehemiah a single book. the Roman Catholic, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox include books removed by Martin Luther, called the deuterocanonical books, which Protestants exclude as apocryphal. the basis for these books is found in the early Koine Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible. This translation was widely used by the Early Christians and is the one most often quoted (300 of 350 quotations including many of Jesus' own words) in the New Testament when it quotes the Old Testament.


So, to answer your question. THe New Testament is basically the finalized version of the old testament, don't get it wrong, they are still the same thing, mostly. The New Testament contains more things that the church wanted you to learn, thats why everybody used the New one.