can some 1 help me translate this into english?

2006-10-14 4:26 pm
斐洛:请你告诉我,究竟是通过教育还是实践来获得美德的?
苏格拉底:十分抱歉,我不知道该怎样回答你的问题,因为我连美德是什么都不知道。
斐洛:这个问题并不难回答,对男人来说,懂得如何管理国家就是美德,对女人来说,尽到料理家务、侍奉丈夫的职责就是美德。人因为年龄的不同,生活状况的差异,而拥有不同的美德。
苏格拉底:多么遗憾,我问你美德是什么,你却给我一打美德。这就好像我问你蜜蜂是什么,你却告诉我蜜蜂有马蜂、土蜂、长脚蜂、赤尾蜂等很多蜂。你说了那么多行为,我们都称之为美德,说明它们有共同之处,你能告诉我它们的共同之处,也就是美德的定义或本质是什么吗?
斐洛:那么让我来告诉你,所谓美德就是统治整个人类的力量。
苏格拉底:你的定义能包括一切合乎美德的行为吗?它对于奴隶和小孩也适用吗?难道小孩统治他的父亲也是一种美德吗?
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斐洛:当然不是。 苏格拉底:统治有正义与非正义之分,难道不正义的统治也是美德吗? 斐洛:看来我刚才说的不全对,应该说,美德就是正义的统治。 苏格拉底:斐洛,你说的是“美德”还是一种合乎美德的行为? 斐洛:这话什么意思?我不明白。 苏格拉底:让我来举例说明一下。我们常说圆是一种图形,而不是圆是图形,因为图形之外还有其他图形,比如三角形、长方形等。 斐洛:喔,我懂了。正义是一种合乎美德的行为,除了正义之外,还有别的美德,如勇敢、节制、智慧等。 苏:你这不是又在给我一大堆美德么? including this part too

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2006-10-14 7:44 pm
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Philo: Please tell me, is virtue attained by education or is it by practice?

Socrates: Pardon me for being unable to answer your question. I do not not know what the word virtue stands for.

Philo: It is not hard at all. For men, virtue means managing the country in order. For women, it means doing household chores dutifully and respecting their husband. People of differerent ages and in different situations have different set of virtue.

Socrates: So regrettable. I asked you about virtue, you repled by stating before me a dozen of virtues. It is like telling me telling me there are many kinds of bees such as hornet, honey bee and long-legged bee, when I asked you what a bee is. What you have said are considered virtues. But can you tell me what they have in common to explain what virtue is all about?

Philo: So I tell you, virtue is the power to control people.

Socrates: Can your defintion applied to all deeds that are seen as virtue? Is it applicable to slaves and children? A child^s power to control his father is a virtue, isn^t it?

Philo: Certainly not.

Socrates: Control could be just or could be unjust. Unjust control is a virtue, isn^t it?

Philo: I was wrong. I should have said, virtue is to control justly.

Socrates: What you said is about virtue, or is it about virtuous deeds?

Philo: I do not understand.

Socrates: An example will make you undertand. We often say a circle is a kind of shape. We do not say a circle is shape. It is because shape could mean things other than a circle, for instance, a triangle and a rectangle.

Philo: I see. Justice is a virtuous deed. In addition, courage, restraint, wisdom are all virtues.

Socrates: You are again stating before me a string of virtues, aren^t you?


以上只是本人按文意所作, 這篇可能是一篇著名的對話, 可能有流行已久的版本, 請注意.
2006-10-14 8:02 pm
Ferror (F): Can you tell me whether virtue is procured through education or practice?
Socrates (S): I am sorry I cannot answer your question. I don't even know what virtue is!
F: This is not a difficult question at all. To men, virtue is the ability to govern a country;to women, it is to do all house chores and serve their husbands well. Everyone possesses different virtue with different ages and living conditions.
S: What a shame! I asked you what virtue is while you listed a dozen virtue. This is like I ask you what a bee is and you tell me there are wasp, soliidae, polistes, red-back bee and the like. You have mentioned kinds of behaviour that we call virtue and how all of them have a common point. Can you just tell me what exactly the common point is by stating the definition or nature of it?
F: Okay then I tell you. Virtue is the capacity to govern the whole mankind.
S: Does the definition you give cover all behaviour that conform with virtue? Does it apply to slaves and kids? Can we say that a kid ruling his father is a kind of virtue?
F: Of course not.
S:There are righteous and unrighteous governance. Can we say the unrighteous governance is a kind of virtue?
F: Not exactly. We can say, virtue is righteous governance.
S: Ferrer, you are talking about 'virtue' or an act conforming to virtue?
F: What do you mean? I can't understand.
S: Let me take an example, We always say circle is a kind of shape but never say a circle is shape because shapes include not just circle but other shapes like triangle and regtangle...etc.
F: Oh, I get it. Righteousness is an act conforming to virtue but there are other kinds of righteousness like bravery, discipline, wisdom...etc.
S: You are giving me a list of virtue again!
2006-10-14 4:40 pm
sorry~我只可幫你解一d

斐洛:please tell me,究竟是通过教育还是实践来获得美德的?
苏格拉底:i'm so sorry,i don't know how to answer this question,因为我连美德是什么都不知道。
斐洛:this question is not diffcult,for man,can take care his counthy就是美德,for girl,can be a house wife、侍奉丈夫的职责就是美德。人因为年龄的不同,生活状况的差异,have different type of美德。
苏格拉底:多么遗憾,i ask you what is美德,but you give me一打美德。this question like i ask you what is bee,but you tell me bee inculu many type of bee。你说了那么多行为,我们都称之为美德,说明它们有共同之处,你能告诉我它们的共同之处,也就是美德的定义或本质是什么吗?
斐洛:let me tell you,所谓美德就是统治整个人类的力量。
苏格拉底:你的定义能包括一切合乎美德的行为吗?它对于奴隶和小孩也适用吗?难道a baby look after also is a美德的行为?
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